Re: Underline Position
From: Suzanne S. Barnhill (sbarnhill_at_mvps.org)
Date: 08/23/04
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:07:53 -0500
Oh, okay, sorry.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. "Burton Stuttman" <bstuttma@optonline.net> wrote in message news:eS1PnLSiEHA.3632@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > Correct, I am not the OP ("Kathy") - but I'm the guy who started the thread. > > Burton Stuttman bstuttma@optonline.net > > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message > news:OgkSZEKiEHA.1344@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > Well, I believe you are not the OP ("Kathy"), who said the font displayed > > properly. You seemed to have jumped into the middle of a thread that was > > attempting to help another user with a different problem. > > > > -- > > Suzanne S. Barnhill > > Microsoft MVP (Word) > > Words into Type > > Fairhope, Alabama USA > > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org > > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup > so > > all may benefit. > > > > "Burton Stuttman" <bstuttma@optonline.net> wrote in message > > news:Oj8bJrIiEHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > > > The font is not displayed correctly on the screen. Cuts though > descenders > > > on all fonts I tried. > > > > > > Burton Stuttman bstuttma@optonline.net 203-227-6762 > > > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message > > > news:e8L4yoGiEHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > > > > To reiterate: if the font is displayed correctly on the screen (which > I > > > > believe you said it was), then printing the font as graphics will > print > > it > > > > correctly. If that works, then the problem is in the printer-resident > > > font. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Suzanne S. Barnhill > > > > Microsoft MVP (Word) > > > > Words into Type > > > > Fairhope, Alabama USA > > > > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org > > > > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the > > newsgroup > > > so > > > > all may benefit. > > > > > > > > "Burton Stuttman" <bstuttma@optonline.net> wrote in message > > > > news:ODEcGSGiEHA.1384@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > > > > > I've tested it extensively and all the advice about downloading > fonts, > > > > > changing fonts won't work. Word's printing font overrides all other > > > > > considerations. I've modified a font in FontLab, lowering the > > > underscore > > > > > character and it makes no difference. Microsoft's printer expert > > > stating > > > > > that Word's position of the underline is "correct" just shows their > > > > > ignorance of typographic design. WordPerfect 5.1 Dos allowed > > adjustment > > > > of > > > > > the underscore with their printer program. I don't know if WP for > > > Windows > > > > > allows this adjustment or how the underscore prints in WP. But even > > > > without > > > > > the adjustment, WP51's underscore didn't cut though the descenders. > > > > > Burt Stuttman > > > > > > > > > > Burton Stuttman bstuttma@optonline.net 203-227-6762 > > > > > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message > > > > > news:%23Nv1G$ihEHA.3988@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > > > > > Just to be clear, "John Smith," whoever he is, did not post that > > > > > > information. I did. He quoted it without any addition (twice), I > > have > > > no > > > > > > idea why. > > > > > > > > > > > > I used a LaserJet 4 under Windows 95 and Windows 2000. I've since > > > > upgraded > > > > > > to a LaserJet 4100, but my husband is running the LJ 4 under > Windows > > > 98, > > > > > and > > > > > > it was his Properties dialog that I checked; it accorded with my > > > memory > > > > of > > > > > > the dialog I had used. I've subsequently remembered that I still > > have > > > > the > > > > > LJ > > > > > > 4 installed on this machine (under Windows 2000). In fact, it does > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > the Fonts tab, and indeed the fonts setting is by no means easy to > > > find! > > > > > > > > > > > > Your dialog under Windows XP may be different still, but here's > what > > > > works > > > > > > under Windows 2000. On the Advanced tab, click Printing > Defaults... > > > (or > > > > > > click Printing Preferences... on the General tab). On the Layout > tab > > > of > > > > > > Printing Defaults/Preferences, click Advanced... Under Graphic, > > click > > > on > > > > > > TrueType Font, which may say, "Substitute with Device Font" > > > > (objectionable > > > > > > on grammatical grounds alone!). Change this to "Download as > > Softfont." > > > > > > > > > > > > Note, too, that what you see in the Properties dialog may depend > on > > > > > whether > > > > > > you're using a driver supplied by HP or one built into Windows XP > > > > (though > > > > > > those may be the same in this case). > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Suzanne S. Barnhill > > > > > > Microsoft MVP (Word) > > > > > > Words into Type > > > > > > Fairhope, Alabama USA > > > > > > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org > > > > > > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the > > > > newsgroup > > > > > so > > > > > > all may benefit. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Kathy" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:213701c4860e$a9d85e10$a301280a@phx.gbl... > > > > > > > John, thanks for your suggestion. I found the Fonts tab > > > > > > > on the print server (it's running Windows 95)and I did > > > > > > > make that change, but I can't find that tab on PCc's > > > > > > > running XP? Can't find those three options in the printer > > > > > > > properties anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also did more experimenting with different fonts and > > > > > > > find that the underline is printed too high on every > > > > > > > single font except Courier and Courier New. Some even > > > > > > > place the line right through the middle of characters, > > > > > > > even though they look fine on screen. I got the same > > > > > > > result from other printers as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Appreciate any more suggestions. Thanks. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > > > >CG Times is one of the resident fonts in the LaserJet 4. > > > > > > > >The difference > > > > > > > >you're seeing probably depends on whether the printer is > > > > > > > >using the resident > > > > > > > >font or the TrueType font that was supplied as a screen > > > > > > > >font. You can force > > > > > > > >the printer to use the screen font (which you say > > > > > > > >displays correctly) by > > > > > > > >choosing the correct setting in the printer Properties. > > > > > > > >You may need to > > > > > > > >access the Properties dialog through Start | Settings | > > > > > > > >Printers; the dialog > > > > > > > >you get to via the Properties... button in Word's Print > > > > > > > >dialog often doesn't > > > > > > > >have all the tabs. On the Fonts tab you will have three > > > > > > > >choices for TrueType > > > > > > > >fonts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >o Download TrueType fonts as outline soft fonts. > > > > > > > >o Download TrueType fonts as bitmap soft fonts. > > > > > > > >o Print TrueType fonts as graphics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You'd think that downloading as any type of soft fonts > > > > > > > >would override the > > > > > > > >built-in fonts, but my experience is that if you want to > > > > > > > >print what you see > > > > > > > >on the screen, you have to use "Print TrueType fonts as > > > > > > > >graphics." This will > > > > > > > >be slower than using the resident fonts but will give the > > > > > > > >effect you want. > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > > > > > > >>Sorry, this is the first time I've used Community > > > > > > > >>Newsgroups. I'm hoping our particular situation might > > > > > > > >>give clues to others having the same problem. We are > > > > > > > >using > > > > > > > >>Word (Office 2000 Professional). The underline position > > > > > > > >>was fine for 2-3 years until we upgraded to Windows XP > > > > > > > >>while still using Office 2000. The font, CG Times, was > > > > > > > >no > > > > > > > >>longer on the list so we downloaded the font. We have > > > > > > > >>tried other fonts and it doesn't matter. The underline > > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > >>the same in all fonts suitable for our reports. Our > > > > > > > >>printer is an old workhorse, HP Laserjet 4. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Another noteworthy fact is that the underline always > > > > > > > >>printed too high, too close to the letters, etc. on > > > > > > > >other > > > > > > > >>printers in the office, such as a HP Laser6L, and newer > > > > > > > >>small Brother printers. Also, there are still instances > > > > > > > >>where the underline will print in the correct position, > > > > > > > >>sometimes on page 2 of our reports, but not on page 1. > > > > > > > >>Sometimes it will be correct on one PC, but not on > > > > > > > >>another. We are on a small network with a file server > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > >>a print server. All reports are printed on the Laser 4. > > > > > > > >>Finally, the underline always looks correct on the > > > > > > > >screen, > > > > > > > >>even when it prints incorrectly. This is really > > > > > > > >important > > > > > > > >>to us, or I wouldn't be spending this much time on the > > > > > > > >>issue. Would appreciate hearing details of your > > > > > > > >>situation; maybe there is a common denominator?? It > > > > > > > >seems > > > > > > > >>to me it has to be correctable since it does print > > > > > > > >>correctly some of the time. > > > > > > > >>. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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