Re: TOC Changing page orientation with out interfering with Set TO

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I agree with all of this. But what's really needed is the ability to add tab
*characters* to TOC entries to take advantage of custom tab stops to make
the period leaders stop well short of the page numbers.

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"Stefan Blom" <no.spam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> I agree completely. Since "flexible" tab stops exist only for tables
> of contents, they should be independent of paragraph formatting.
>
> The obvious exception would be when you've explicitly set tab stops
> for a TOC style. Then you certainly don't want Word to automatically
> adjust them. (Of course, the application wouldn't know which tab stop
> to adjust, either, if there were several of them.)
>
> Things would be easier if Word also allowed for tab stops to be set
> relative to the right margin. Then there would be no need for the
> "flexible" tab stops.
>
> --
> Stefan Blom
> Microsoft Word MVP
>
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:ublF2OOYFHA.2572@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > That's good news, but kind of perverse. Styles define many settings,
> > including font, tab settings, and paragraph settings. But tabs
> aren't part
> > of paragraph formatting per se (that is, they're not set in the
> Format
> > Paragraph dialog), so it's no more reasonable for a change in Space
> > Before/After to affect tabs than for a change in font to do so.
> >
> > --
> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > Words into Type
> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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> > all may benefit.
> >
> > "Stefan Blom" <no.spam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:OQbwxm4XFHA.3096@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > At least changing to italic, bold, underline, and a different font
> > > size can be done without "locking" the tab stop.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stefan Blom
> > > Microsoft Word MVP
> > >
> > >
> > > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:%233guoJ7WFHA.2540@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Yes, and to further clarify, in addition to bolding TOC 1, I
> later
> > > realized
> > > > I had added some Space Before. So it's possible that font
> formatting
> > > alone
> > > > would not prevent the tab stop from being updated, but paragraph
> > > formatting
> > > > would. Testing would be required to determine what changes, if
> any,
> > > can be
> > > > made without affecting the "elasticity" of the style.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > > > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > > > Words into Type
> > > > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > > > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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> > > > all may benefit.
> > > >
> > > > "Stefan Blom" <no.spam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > news:uhUMIR4WFHA.1044@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Thank you for the insight. That certainly explains why, in my
> > > > > experience, updating the TOC "sometimes" makes the
> right-aligned
> > > tab
> > > > > stop adjust to page margins!
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Stefan Blom
> > > > > Microsoft Word MVP
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > news:%23PKeu2iWFHA.3044@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Update: I have just had an experience on the basis of which
> I am
> > > > > prepared to
> > > > > > offer a tentative analysis of this behavior. I had a
> document
> > > with
> > > > > 1" left
> > > > > > and right margins and a TOC. I changed the L and R margins
> to
> > > 1.25".
> > > > > The TOC
> > > > > > now extended half an inch into the right margin. I updated
> the
> > > > > entire table,
> > > > > > and the tab setting in the TOC 2 and TOC 3 paragraphs was
> > > updated.
> > > > > They were
> > > > > > in their default format. In TOC 1, which I had modified (by
> > > bolding
> > > > > it--not
> > > > > > by moving the tab stop), the tab setting was not updated. So
> it
> > > > > would appear
> > > > > > that *any* modification to the style will prevent the tab
> > > setting
> > > > > from being
> > > > > > updated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > > > > > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > > > > > Words into Type
> > > > > > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > > > > > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> > > > > > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to
> the
> > > > > newsgroup so
> > > > > > all may benefit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:%2382wm9hWFHA.2648@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > "Sometimes" isn't really reliable, is it? <g> I don't have
> > > enough
> > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > to be dogmatic about this, but my recollection is that
> it's
> > > never
> > > > > happened
> > > > > > > for me, and I don't usually "bother" the automatic tab
> stop.
> > > But I
> > > > > > certainly
> > > > > > > won't question your experience, which is probably broader
> than
> > > > > mine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > > > > > > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > > > > > > Words into Type
> > > > > > > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > > > > > > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> > > > > > > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups
> to
> > > the
> > > > > newsgroup
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > > all may benefit.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Stefan Blom" <no.spam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:6CD04754-FEE3-4EA1-B8E7-09FAAA20E209@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > In my experience, Word sometimes does this (unless of
> course
> > > you
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > explicitly modified the tab stops). It could be a
> version
> > > issue,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > guess.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Stefan Blom
> > > > > > > > Microsoft Word MVP
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You'd think that would work, but IME Word never moves
> the
> > > tab
> > > > > stop
> > > > > > even
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > you have changed the margins.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > > > > > > > > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > > > > > > > > Words into Type
> > > > > > > > > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > > > > > > > > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> > > > > > > > > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all
> follow-ups
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > newsgroup so
> > > > > > > > > all may benefit.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Stefan Blom" <no.spam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:u7jmBnuVFHA.3140@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > But note that it might be easier than modifying tab
> > > stops.
> > > > > First try
> > > > > > > > > > to update the TOC: Either right-click it and choose
> > > "Update
> > > > > field"
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > place the cursor inside it and press F9. Make sure
> that
> > > you
> > > > > select
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > update the entire table, if prompted.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Stefan Blom
> > > > > > > > > > Microsoft Word MVP
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Stefan Blom" <no.spam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:%235ectkuVFHA.548@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > What exactly is the problem? If the page numbers
> don't
> > > > > align
> > > > > > > > > > properly,
> > > > > > > > > > > you can drag the tab stop to the desired location.
> It
> > > > > should be
> > > > > > > > > > > sufficient to do this once for each level (because
> the
> > > TOC
> > > > > styles
> > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > set to update automatically, by default).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Stefan Blom
> > > > > > > > > > > Microsoft Word MVP
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > "kaycee96" <kaycee96@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> > > in
> > > > > message
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > news:52FA4305-D99F-413C-BA37-12BE313A35FA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > I am having trouble changing the page
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