Re: The Numbering UI in Office 2003 is the worst UI in the history of the world!!!!

If you have set up the Heading styles correctly, then when you paste in text
formatted with those styles by other users, they will take on your
formatting. Alternatively, you can paste as Unformatted Text.

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
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Words into Type
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"Brian" <TargetedConvergence@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Instead of defining custom styles, why not use Word's built-in heading
styles, which are already linked to outline levels (especially in the
outline number format you selected). See
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numbering/UseBuiltInHeadingStyles.html.
You
can format the styles any way you like, and you can add your own names
to
the Heading 1, 2, 3 names if you like.

Because I'm setting this up as a starter file within a larger application
into which my app's users will often end up pasting bits of content from
lots of other documents. Not being Word experts, they will tend to not
think deeply about how to paste so as not to mess up the styles in the
document. Thus, to reduce the trashing of my carefully crafted Styles, I
want them to NOT have the standard names. If I use Heading 1, 2, 3...
they
will be toast in no time.

After a dozen more failed experiments, I finally found the secret
incantation to get this to work...

The secret was, contrary to Shauna Kelly's document, you need to build the
List Template while editing the bottommost Style in your hierarchy, NOT
the
topmost. Whenever I used the topmost, it would shuffle it down one
level...
such that I'd end up with two levels pointing to the same style, and the
style below the one I chose to edit not being used. Once I saw the
pattern,
I figured it couldn't do that if I chose the bottommost one... there'd be
nothing below it to screw up.

Now, in Shauna's case, she wasn't trying to setup the topmost one having
no
numbering. I think Word might have a bug where it takes the top style and
tries to apply the first numbers it encounters, even if they are at a
lower
level. And that ends up causing the goofy partial shuffling down the tree
that I was seeing.

It may also be important that the styles you use are defined on top of the
one higher each time... not sure... once I got it to work, I wasn't about
to
risk disturbing things. I locked that puppy down.

Anyway, thanks for the help, the various documents suggested were
certainly
helpful in narrowing down from hundreds of things to try to about a dozen!


For trouble-free outline numbering, carefully
follow the instructions at
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numbering/OutlineNumbering.html


That's a nice doc... answered some of my questions.

I followed it, including resetting all gallery positions... and still I
get
crazy behavior.

I chose to modify position 8. I set its Level 1 to "My Heading" style
and
the numbering has the (none) number format; and my Level 2 numbering
has
the
"1." format and is set to the "My Numbered 1" style... but when I click
OK,
it changes the My Heading style associated with Level 1 to "1."
format!!
So, I re-modify the My Heading style and see that it has Numbering set
to
the #7 position in the gallery with some messed up nonsense. So, I
reset
that position, reset the style to position #8, customize it to fix it,
but
see that everything is still defined correctly in that position! But
when
I
hit OK, it goes right back to putting a 1. in front of it. STUPID!

Anyway, if anybody can offer any suggestions... I've tried everything I
can
think of... other than cracking out the VBA.


Brian






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