Re: Biblography Styles

On Sep 10, 5:47 am, p0 <yves.dho...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi DiSSo,

Just a bit to extend on Bob Buckland's reply and go a little deeper
into your question.

Each type of bibliographic entry (Web Site, Journal Artcle, ...)
actually has over 50 different fields you can use. What Microsoft did
in Word 2007 was selecting only a subset of those different fields and
present them to the user. There is a good reason for doing so: the
more limited the number of fields for a certain type is, the easier it
is to design a style*** for that type.

The good news is, you can make more (all) fields available for every
type. For example, you can add a URL field to a Journal Article. This
is done by adjusting the bibform.xml file which you will find in one
of the locale subdirectories of the office 12 folder. The format is
pretty straightforward XML. By looking at the type for websites, you
can probably copy/paste the fields you want to add to journal
articles.

There is no such thing as "pretty straightforward XML" for someone who
has never taken a course in XML programming.

What do you have to say about the list of TEN failures of "Chicago
Style" that I listed yesterday? (And that is based on doing only a
single article with only 92 Sources, none of them particularly
problematic.)

The bad news is, if you add extra fields to a type, or even define
extra new types (perfectly possible, although I would suggest against
doing the latter), the current style*** will have no clue on what to
do with the extra field and just ignore it. So once you start adding
fields, you will have to expand the styles as well. And expanding the
stylesheets that come with Word 2007 isn't all that straightforward.

Athttp://www.codeplex.com/bibliography/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?Rel....
I posted a few extra styles. One of them, Harvard Leeds, implements an
electronic journal as subtype of a journal for example. There is also
an xml file and a link to a tool to extend your bibform so the
electronic journal becomes available. I admit that the documentation
at the site is rather sketchy at the moment, but if you have problems
with the usage, post a question to the discussion list, and I'll do my
best to answer it.

Yves

On 9 sep, 19:13, DiSSo <Di...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Wish I had known that before I wasted my money on purchasing office. The
bibliographic features are nice, but it's obvious that whoever designed them
has not recently been a student. There is no way to cite online achedemic
periodicals such as those from Jstor. The Web site option has no fields for
journal name, issue, and edition, and the journal option has no field for the
host url.

"Bob   Buckland ?:-)" wrote:

Hi Alireza,

It's a excellent suggestion, but one that isn't, unfortunately, likely to happen I fear, unless one of the 'new batch' of graduates
or intern hires at Microsoft  might create them.  The folks that helped create that feature for Word 2007 have left the Word team
and moved tohttp://officelabs.comandwhile the MS folks are probably working on improving the next version there doesn't seem to
be too much left over for what used to be called 'sustaining engineering' work (i.e. working on the released product to keep it
fresh, alive and active).

The feature is basically written in XML, so it's 'extensible' and there have been a couple of efforts at making translators to move
the formats between BibUtils and other reference software and I suspect there was an expectation that folks at various schools where
there are folks who might be able to 'whip out quick XML' would be publishing additional .XSL files for different formats that could
be shared and simply dropped into the Bibiliography folder for use by Word 2007 users, but as with other similar
efforts/expectations, this hasn't happened and Microsoft really hasn't been a lot of help on doing this beyond one or two 'how to
get started' articles.

Microsoft Research has a Word 2007 add-in to work with NLM/NLH citations within Word but even there the add-in does some really poor
things, such as rename the 'Add-Ins' tab in Word for its own use, even though it leaves the content from other addins there.
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  <<"Alireza" <Alir...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in messagenews:D874EE06-D37C-4557-A318-EFD9FD25A0D6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hi everyone.
I suggest that it would be very useful if Microsoft embed mor styles in
biblography section. It is better that contain all style that Endnote X
software has, become embeded in word and then importation of references items
from Google scholar become available. >>
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