Re: The References Group: please help me with some problems
- From: Aliera2 <Aliera2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:02:01 -0700
Yes, just the other day I noticed that StyleEase didn't have a reference
entry option for books that have both editors and translators. That was
annoying, although one of the two can just be typed in by hand afterwards.
Thank you for clarifying the difference between Chicago and Turabian.
"grammatim" wrote:
I checked out StyleEase after Aliera2's posting a couple of weeks ago,.
and it's clear from the documentation (Chicago version) that it can't
be used by a serious scholar. The first drawback is that it simply
doesn't allow you to have both in-text parenthesized references and
references in footnotes in the same document. The second is that no
scholar will ever have to prepare papers in only one (of just four
available!) formats, and the cost of the four (uncustomizable!)
different applications goes a long way toward the purchase price of
EndNote. (And it doesn't seem to have provisions for such arcane but
essential additions as both editors and translators of a single work.)
The most sophisticated such program I've encountered was Papyrus, a
Mac-only app whose developer gave it up when he realized that adapting
it to OS X would be an overwhelming task. (It probably doesn't have
the web-search abilities of the more recent generations of such
tools.)
Incidentally, "Turabian" and "Chicago" are not the same. "Turabian" is
for unpublished work, from the weekly essay through the term paper to
the M.A. thesis and the Ph.D. dissertation; "Chicago," which is based
on it, is for published work. Mrs. Turabian (who had retired by the
time I became involved with the University of Chicago Press ca. 1975)
was the Press's Chief Manuscript Editor; she _may_ also, or at one
time, have been the University's Dissertation Secretary, a single
person whose responsibility was to see that every dissertation
submitted in every department of the university adhered to the
specified format. (There were typists who made a good living typing
dissertations for Ph.D. candidates who were thus relieved of the
necessity of mastering the arcana.) During my whole 25 years in
Chicago, the Dissertation Secretary was Geoffrey Plampin, a delightful
gentleman whom I knew from his many, many theatrical appearances (for
instance, as the Butler in *The Importance of Being Earnest*; we were
in *Ionlanthe* together in 1973).
Alas I fear that in the day of electronic manuscript preparation, the
notion of perfectly uniform style may have gone by the wayside, just
as the University of Chicago Press itself now states in the Manual
that a manuscript that has been prepared with perfect consistency
using _some other style_ can be published by the Press. (Mrs. Turabian
would not be pleased!)
On Mar 30, 11:31 pm, Aliera2 <Alie...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thank you for replying.
It wasn't clear to me that by "student" Microsoft meant only pre-university
level students. However, I think the Word program is the same in all the
suites; you just get more programs the more you pay.
It's just a shame that this new Reference feature, which could be so
potentially helpful, has these flaws. If Microsoft wanted to they could just
include in Word everything that Endnote (also very pricey) does in its
program. If we could just modify the given settings for this feature it
wouldn't be a problem.... if there's a way to do this, please let me know.
If it's helpful to anyone with similar issues, there's an inexpensive
program called StyleEase that's similar to Endnote, and so far it seems
compatible with the new Word.
Again, thank you for your responses,
- E.
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
If you paid just $150 for the Office Suite, you got a bargain, as even
Office Standard retails for $399.95, with prices for other versions ranging
up to $679.95 for Office Ultimate. Presumably you got the Home and Student
version, which is really intended for use by families with young children.
If you are a university student, you may be able to get EndNote at a similar
promotional price.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
"Aliera2" <Alie...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:10F24447-7FB6-4507-8E8E-C46E7A7EA0F1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
THank you so much for your quick reply.
I had tried to move the arrows, but was moving the wrong one, so your
advice
washelpful, thank you. I know other documentation styles have similar
formats, but I only have to worry about the Chicago/Turabian for now.
Is there any way to totally customize the Reference Groups default
settings?
I still don't understand why footnote reference entries aren't added to
the
bibliography. There's no way to customize the Reference group settings?
Microsoft's formatting of the bibliography/works cited pages is erroneous
in
silly ways. For example, I can only imagine submitting a paper to my
professor for review that had a bold, blue "Works Cited" title. Luckily,
that
actually was easy to fix.
The references group still has so many limitations, I just really wish
Microsoft had included in their 2007 version all the features offered by
the
StyleEase or Endnote programs. It's well within their capabilities to have
done so. If the Office Suite had only cost me around $40 I wouldn't be so
demanding, but since I had to spend $150 on it, I have higher
expectations.
"EPIjb" wrote:
Chicago style isn't the only one with an indented bibliography. You can
use
a hanging indent to easily solve your problem. Click in the text at the
spot
you want to indent (the second line of the entry). In the ruler at the
top
of the page, drag the bottom half of the hourglass-looking thing over
five
spaces. That will indent all subsequent lines after the first in an
entry.
"Aliera2" wrote:
In philosophy it's customary to use the Chicago/Turabian documentation
styles. Word offers Chicago and Turabian as style choices (not even
sure why
they are separate choices), but the formatting for them is incorrect
(or, at
least, it's incomplete).
My 1st Problem: Word 2007 only adds parenthetical citations to the
bibliography; the common practice for Chicago style is to cite using
footnotes, and it'd be really convenient if my footnoted citations were
added
to my master source list and bibliography.
2nd Problem: Word formats the bibliography/works cited entries
incorrectly
for Chicago/Turabian style. The first line of an entry should be flush
left,
but any additional lines must be indented 5 spaces. It should be simple
a
simple matter of just indenting the text, but the program won't let me
do it.
Can I change the settings for Chicago/Turabian reference styles? Is
there
any way to do this short of having to right code (or XML... I don't
even know
what it's called, let alone how to do that!)
Please help if you know how!
Thank you.-
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