Re: How do I include quotation marks in a TOC field code?
- From: "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:58:50 -0600
I'm not sure why you consider it bizarre. You'd be surprised the number of
publishers' editors who still cite it. Perhaps you prefer
http://www.editorium.com/filecleaner/TH_22.htm or
http://web.mit.edu/comdor/editguide/other/punctuation.html. I could have
sworn I had seen that same prescription in Hart's Rules, but I can't find it
now, but I've seen numerous variations in various places.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"Jezebel" <warcrimes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Not trying to make an issue of something that is really pretty subtle, but
> that seems a bizarre choice of typographic bible. There was a discussion
in
> one of these forums about a year ago prompted by someone from one of the
> larger US publishers, who had just reversed their house style policy on
> exactly this point.
>
> As for the commas inside/outside the quotes, although there is obviously
no
> right or wrong, it is anything but 'indisputable'; and logic is preferable
> to convention. 'Consistency is the hobgoblin of petty minds…' to quote a
> venerable Vespuccian.
>
>
>
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:OLk03avIGHA.3816@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >I quote from "Words into Type," 3rd ed.: "Commas, colons, and semicolons
> >are
> > set in the typeface (italic or boldface) of the preceding word.
Quotation
> > marks, exclamation points, question marks, and parentheses are set
> > according
> > to the overall context of a sentence." This is also the recommendation
of
> > several books I own on using type. Again, this may be a US vs. UK
> > convention.
> >
> > It is indisputably the U.S. convention always to put periods and commas
> > inside quotes, other punctuation inside or outside according to the
> > context.
> > I won't pretend that this is logical or always even convenient, but to
us
> > USians it looks tidier.
> >
> > --
> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > Words into Type
> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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> > all may benefit.
> >
> > "Jezebel" <warcrimes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:%23TLhNftIGHA.740@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> I think that's a tad sweeping. The commas belong inside the quotes for
> >> speech in all cases (at least, that's the textbook approach); but
outside
> > if
> >> the quoted item is something other than speech, as in this case.
> >>
> >> The typography of punctuation is a whole different kettle of fish ...
:)
> >> but italicising the commas would be wrong in this case, because the
> > italics
> >> refer specifically to the word, not the list.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:ei9PH8sIGHA.648@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > FWIW, commas belong inside the quotes in the U.S., outside in the
U.K.
> > If
> >> > you use italics, the commas should be italicized.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> > Words into Type
> >> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> >> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> >> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
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> >> > so
> >> > all may benefit.
> >> >
> >> > "Lilli D" <LilliD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> > news:A5E877D8-477A-4505-8F09-1CFAEB209B56@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Thanks. I like the italics idea. It's a simple fix that I hadn't
> > thought
> >> > of.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Jezebel" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I can't re-create your problem: the TOC entry works exactly as
> > expected
> >> > when
> >> >> > I try it, with the entire text included. Personally, I think your
> > text
> >> > would
> >> >> > be a more readable if you used italics, in which case the problem
> >> > wouldn't
> >> >> > arise, anyway. (And in this case, the commas belong outside the
> > quotes,
> >> >> > too.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Lilli D" <Lilli D@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:D1EB9C17-5195-4C25-BFDB-369E924ACEE0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> > > In Word 2003, I am trying to create a TOC entry that includes
> >> > quotation
> >> >> > > marks. For example: "Relative pronouns: use of "that," "which,"
> >> >> > > "who,"
> >> > and
> >> >> > > "whose"" The problem is that the TOC field code stops the TOC
> >> >> > > entry
> >> >> > > at
> >> > the
> >> >> > > first quotation mark. Thus, the table of contents reads:
"Relative
> >> >> > > pronouns:
> >> >> > > use of " Is there a way around this limitation?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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