Re: How do I include quotation marks in a TOC field code?

Not trying to make an issue of something that is really pretty subtle, but
that seems a bizarre choice of typographic bible. There was a discussion in
one of these forums about a year ago prompted by someone from one of the
larger US publishers, who had just reversed their house style policy on
exactly this point.

As for the commas inside/outside the quotes, although there is obviously no
right or wrong, it is anything but 'indisputable'; and logic is preferable
to convention. 'Consistency is the hobgoblin of petty minds?' to quote a
venerable Vespuccian.




"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OLk03avIGHA.3816@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>I quote from "Words into Type," 3rd ed.: "Commas, colons, and semicolons
>are
> set in the typeface (italic or boldface) of the preceding word. Quotation
> marks, exclamation points, question marks, and parentheses are set
> according
> to the overall context of a sentence." This is also the recommendation of
> several books I own on using type. Again, this may be a US vs. UK
> convention.
>
> It is indisputably the U.S. convention always to put periods and commas
> inside quotes, other punctuation inside or outside according to the
> context.
> I won't pretend that this is logical or always even convenient, but to us
> USians it looks tidier.
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
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> so
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>
> "Jezebel" <warcrimes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> I think that's a tad sweeping. The commas belong inside the quotes for
>> speech in all cases (at least, that's the textbook approach); but outside
> if
>> the quoted item is something other than speech, as in this case.
>>
>> The typography of punctuation is a whole different kettle of fish ... :)
>> but italicising the commas would be wrong in this case, because the
> italics
>> refer specifically to the word, not the list.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:ei9PH8sIGHA.648@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > FWIW, commas belong inside the quotes in the U.S., outside in the U.K.
> If
>> > you use italics, the commas should be italicized.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> > Words into Type
>> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
>> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> newsgroup
>> > so
>> > all may benefit.
>> >
>> > "Lilli D" <LilliD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> > news:A5E877D8-477A-4505-8F09-1CFAEB209B56@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Thanks. I like the italics idea. It's a simple fix that I hadn't
> thought
>> > of.
>> >>
>> >> "Jezebel" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I can't re-create your problem: the TOC entry works exactly as
> expected
>> > when
>> >> > I try it, with the entire text included. Personally, I think your
> text
>> > would
>> >> > be a more readable if you used italics, in which case the problem
>> > wouldn't
>> >> > arise, anyway. (And in this case, the commas belong outside the
> quotes,
>> >> > too.)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Lilli D" <Lilli D@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> > news:D1EB9C17-5195-4C25-BFDB-369E924ACEE0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > > In Word 2003, I am trying to create a TOC entry that includes
>> > quotation
>> >> > > marks. For example: "Relative pronouns: use of "that," "which,"
>> >> > > "who,"
>> > and
>> >> > > "whose"" The problem is that the TOC field code stops the TOC
>> >> > > entry
>> >> > > at
>> > the
>> >> > > first quotation mark. Thus, the table of contents reads: "Relative
>> >> > > pronouns:
>> >> > > use of " Is there a way around this limitation?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>>
>>
>


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