Re: Word applies direct format on File open

I think what's happening here is that you have TNR defined as the default
font for Plain Text, but the plain text is coming in with Courier New as
direct formatting. I would think that this would change to TNR if you
selected text and did ResetChar (Ctrl+Spacebar) on the text irrespective of
the draft font. I would imagine that the font box is reflecting what font
the text would be using if you switched to Print Layout view (not using the
draft font). I haven't been following this thread carefully, but does the
font of the document not change to TNR if you Ctrl+A, Ctrl+Spacebar (without
using the draft font option)?

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Words into Type
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"Uriel" <urielw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Curiouser and curiouser.
>
> This really has to be tried to be believed.
>
> I did what you suggested. "Draft font" had been unchecked; I checked and
> selected TNR 12. Now what happens, on opening an HTM or TXT file, is that
> text indeed appears as TNR 12. But the formatting toolbar nevertheless
shows
> "Courier New." If I ctrl-space, the formatting toolbar changes and reports
> TNR. But the highlighted text doesn't change (since it was already TNR).
>
> Also, after opening the file and before I change any formats, Reveal
> Formatting shows Direct Formatting with Courier New (in defiance of the
> actual appearance of TNR).
>
> However ....... these issues are academic, since I've got the TNR I
wanted.
> (Better legibility and more efficient use of screen space.) Thanks for
> solving the problem, Suzanne!
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:eWROqAr8FHA.2036@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> I think the issue here is that the formatting for the Plain Text style is
> supplied in this case not by Normal.dot but by whatever template is
attached
> to the file you open, and it's difficult to say what that might be in the
> case of a .TXT or .HTM file.
>
> I have thought of a workaround that might accomplish what you want: If you
> are willing to edit in Normal view (which should be satisfactory for a
> plain-text document), you can check the box for "Draft font" on the View
tab
> of Tools | Options and select TNR as the font to use.
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
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> all may benefit.
>
> "Uriel" <urielw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:uM1hNrq8FHA.2036@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Graham, I'm afraid you're still missing my points.
> >
> > >OK I'll concede that ;)
> >
> > Graham, I hate to say this, but you're STILL missing the points. Are you
> > actually reading my posts? It's very kind of you to spend time posting
> > responses to queries, but the time would be better spent if you first
> > figured out what the queries actually say.
> >
> > >If you open an HTM file as text then change the formatting to TNR, you
> have
> > >indeed changed the formatting
> >
> > Graham: I DID NOT DO THAT.
> >
> > >By overriding the default font in the plain text style (which as you
have
> > >indicated you cannot do)
> >
> > I *DID* do it. As I've reported previously. The plain text style in my
> > Normal.dot is defined to use TNR.
> >
> > >As others have reported before you, Word is not the ideal tool for
> editing
> > >html files
> >
> > Really. I don't know what their objections might have been. Word 2000
> always
> > suited me perfectly fine for editing html files.
> >
> > >frankly for a plain text document I for one wouldn't want it changed.
> >
> > What can I say? We have different preferences. This is an inquiry about
> > buggy, inconsistent behavior in Word 2003, and whether there's a way to
> > avoid it.
> >
> > "Graham Mayor" <gmayor@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:ujWRAvl8FHA.3544@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Uriel wrote:
> > > Graham, I'm afraid you're still missing my points.
> >
> > OK I'll concede that ;)
> >
> > >> Select 'plain text'. This will open the document in the manner you
> > >> have described.
> > >
> > > I know that. I did that. But the problem that follows is described in
> > > "Puzzle #1" in my earlier post (below).
> >
> > OK
> >
> > >> Word will let you format that document with any font you like, but
> > >> if you save it as plain text all that formatting will be lost,
> > >> because plain text doesn't support that.
> > >
> > > I know that. No problem. I have no intention of applying formatting
> > > to an .HTM file that I open, edit, and save as plain text.
> >
> > If you open an HTM file as text then change the formatting to TNR, you
> have
> > indeed changed the formatting to use a proportional font. This is no
> problem
> > at all if you then intend saving as a Word document, but plain text does
> not
> > support font information of any kind. It stores only the underlying
text.
> >
> > >> If you change the plain text style to use Times Roman font then
> > >> select all the document and press CTRL+Space to apply it to the
> > >> document.
> > >
> > > But why is this necessary? Why does Word apply direct font formatting
> > > immediately after opening an .HTM file with conversion option "plain
> > > text"?
> >
> > You would have to ask Microsoft's programmers, but it is presumably
> because
> > plain text documents do not contain proportional font information. By
> > overriding the default font in the plain text style (which as you have
> > indicated you cannot do) Word substitutes a monospaced font - courier
new.
> > You can apply the changes you have made to the style by using the CTRL+A
> > CTRL+Space if that is what you want. There does not seem to be any way
> round
> > this - and frankly for a plain text document I for one wouldn't want it
> > changed.
> >
> > >> the above proviso remains, the plain text format does not support
> > >> proportional fonts.
> > >
> > > You said this before. And I answered: Word permits defining the
> > > "plain text" style to use TNR. So what do you mean by "does not
> > > support"?
> >
> > Answered (I hope) above :)
> >
> > >> select the document in the file open window and from the down arrow
> > >> alongside the Open button select 'open with Word'.
> > >
> > > Why would I do that?? It's exactly the same as simply clicking the
> > > Open button directly.
> >
> > That rather depends on what you default settings are for opening htm
files
> > and what filters you have present. If opening directly works for you,
then
> > that's fine.
> >
> > As others have reported before you, Word is not the ideal tool for
editing
> > html files, which I presume this is what lies behind your query. If you
> find
> > it such a big deal that you cannot edit your plain text files in Word
> using
> > a proportional font without forcing the changes in the style as
described,
> > then the following macro attached to a toolbar button will do it for you
> at
> > a click.
> >
> > Sub PlaintoTNR()
> > Selection.WholeStory
> > Selection.Font.Reset
> > Selection.HomeKey Unit:=wdStory
> > End Sub
> >
> > http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm
> >
> > --
> > <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
> > Graham Mayor - Word MVP
> >
> > My web site www.gmayor.com
> > Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org
> > <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
> >
> > > "Graham Mayor" <gmayor@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:%23U$CR6Y8FHA.3544@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Plain text is a document format containing only characters in the
> > > ASCII character set. If you open an HTML document with the plain text
> > > filter (select the document in the file open window and from the down
> > > arrow alongside the Open button select 'open with Word'. You will be
> > > presented with a bunch of file open options. Select 'plain text'.
> > > This will open the document in the manner you have described.
> > >
> > > Word will let you format that document with any font you like, but if
> > > you save it as plain text all that formatting will be lost, because
> > > plain text doesn't support that. If you change the plain text style
> > > to use Times Roman font then select all the document and press
> > > CTRL+Space to apply it to the document. However the above proviso
> > > remains, the plain text format does not support proportional fonts.
> > >
> > >
> > > Uriel wrote:
> > >> Sorry, but I don't understand your points. Maybe I should be clearer
> > >> that I *want* to open the .HTM as plaintext -- i.e. I want to see
> > >> <i>html formatting codes</i>. (I want to see "<i>" rather than have
> > >> Word show the text formatted as italics.)
> > >>
> > >> You say "Plain text cannot use proportional fonts like TNR." But Word
> > >> permits me to modify the "Plain Text" style to use TNR.
> > >>
> > >> Also don't know what you mean by text filter. Is my installation
> > >> missing a component? As mentioned, "Text file" is offered as a
> > >> conversion option when I select a .TXT file in the File/Open
> > >> dialogue.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Graham Mayor" <gmayor@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > >> news:O8clalM8FHA.2152@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> 1. Plain text cannot use proportional fonts like TNR, so you are not
> > >> going to succeed with this.
> > >> 2. You should be able to use the old filter (which was removed for
> > >> security considerations). The text filter is linked from the
> > >> downloads page of my web site. Whether it will do what you want is
> > >> another matter entirely. You may also need the old htm filter. I
> > >> don't have a link for that one, but if you still have access to the
> > >> Word 2000 equipped machine .......
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Uriel wrote:
> > >>> Puzzle #1: With Word 2003, when I open a file using the "Plain text"
> > >>> file conversion option, Word assigns the "Plain Text" style to each
> > >>> paragraph, which is not surprising; but it also applies direct font
> > >>> formatting (confirmed via Reveal Formatting) so that the font is
> > >>> Courier New even though I've redefined the "Plain Text" style to use
> > >>> Times Roman.
> > >>>
> > >>> Puzzle #2: In Word 2000, I used to routinely open .HTM files with
> > >>> the "Text file" conversion option. This option is no longer
> > >>> presented as an option in Word 2003 when I select an .HTM file to
> > >>> open. (It *is* presented as an option when I select a .TXT file.)
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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