Re: Line Spacing Question

From: Peyton Todd (PeytonTodd_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 01/24/05 

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:03:01 -0800

Thanks, Jezebel. I'll try those fixes. However, there will still be a couple
of problems.

1. Am I limited to finite point sizes? If so, then (I haven't tried it yet,
so I don't know, but I suspect) I could still end up with something that
looks crappy. Like I said, I don't know yet, but it might be I'll be caught
between something which looks too much like double-spacing, and something
where the symbol characters are still too small compared to the regular text.

2. It's not just the printing I have to worry about. This book will also be
an e-book. It has to be because it's about a subject whose intonation
patterns will be crucial, and readers will need to hear them. In fact, since
ASL (American Sign Language of the deaf) is also involved, there'll be lots
of little video clips. So the result has to look good both in print and in a
PDF.

Yes, the fonts were free. Do you know if there's one I could pay for that
would meet my needs? Where would I look? Bear in mind that it's not just any
character set we're talking about. The characters of the International
Phonetic Alphabet are very different from what most people are familiar with.
They include what looks like an upside down 'V', an upside down 'e', both the
'a' like the one I just did and a version that looks more like what people
write by hand (sort of alike an 'o' but with a tail); and there's an 'open o'
(looks like a backwards 'c'), something that looks like an integral sign in
calculus, something that looks like a numeral '3' but hangs below the line,
an 'n' with a tail (for the last consonant of -ing), one that looks like a
capital 'I' but is no taller than a lower case 'i', and lots more.

So where do I go from here?

"Jezebel" wrote:

> First, your publisher is *very* unlikely to create the finished book by
> photocopying what you supply. Although it's true that a lot of small print
> run books (which includes most linguistics texts unless you're a Chomsky
> or - god forbid - a Lakoff) are printed by photocopying, the original from
> which the photocopy is produced won't simply be a printout of your Word
> document.
>
> This is especially true if you create the document using a cruddy font like
> Microsoft's Times New Roman. The publisher will likely ask you for the
> original Word document, send it on to someone who knows what they're doing,
> and leave it to them to fix these format it properly.
>
> That said, the solution is to set your line spacing to an exact amount,
> large enough for your phonetic glyphs. Go to Format > Style, select
> paragraph, and set the line spacing to an exact distance. If you're working
> with 11pt text, the auto line spacing will be 13 pt (font size * 120%, to
> the nearest half point) -- try increasing this by a point or two. That
> should be enough to accommodate the phonetic font you're using. (Did you pay
> for this phonetic font, by the way? -- if not, that's probably the cause of
> the problem. Free fonts often have lousy metrics.) You'll also need to set
> the line-spacing for all the styles that are based on Normal, otherwise
> they'll inherit the fixed line spacing.
>
>
>
>
> "Peyton Todd" <PeytonTodd@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:93AFA0BA-5252-4FBF-84E5-C8E306E73916@microsoft.com...
> > Hello. I expect this will be a tough question to answer.
> >
> > A little detail first, then I'll get to my question...
> >
> > I am writing a book in linguistics, and I don't have a publisher yet, but
> > most tings written in the field tend to be in a font which looks like
> Times
> > New Roman. And I believe lots of publishers nowadays just photocopy what
> you
> > send. So I'm writing the book in Times New Roman.
> >
> > But I need to include a lot of examples of speech using the International
> > Phonetic Alphabet. The fonts which come with Word don't have anywhere near
> > the full set of symbols necessary, but I have found and installed a font
> > which has everything I need. It's a complicated system involving a program
> > called KeyMan by Tavelsoft Corp, and virtual 'keyboards', including one
> with
> > IPA symbols in Unicode. (Colleagues have reported getting drafts rejected
> by
> > publishers who didn't have the same plug-in they were using when they
> wrote
> > their book or article.)
> >
> > Well, the symbols look great, and they're easy to use (different
> > combinations of keystrokes lead to the desired characters, like typing
> Ctrl +
> > ~ and then 'n' to get an n with a tilde over it in Spanish, but a lot
> moreso.
> >
> > But here's my problem. When I stuff some symbols into a line, say as
> follows:
> >
> > asdf asdf asdf asdf xxxx adf asdf asdf afdf
> >
> > where xxxx is the symbols, the line spacing between that line and the one
> > before it widens. So all the other lines in the paragraph look fine, both
> the
> > lines before the one I put the symbols in, and the ones below that line,
> but
> > the paragraph looks funny. I can nearly fix this by reducing the fontsize
> of
> > the symbols by a couple of points (e.g. the Times New Roman in 11 pt. and
> the
> > symbols in 9 pt.), but now the symbols look small and silly.
> >
> > By the way, the symbols are an Arial font. But that's apparently not the
> > problem. I find it's possible to mix Arial and Times New Roman fonts on a
> > line without this problem occurring as long as they're all regular
> characters.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > everything ihaven't checked with the publisher yet, a linguist, and I need
> > to write articles
> > --
> > Peyton Todd
>
>
>

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