Re: MS Word Spell Check Highlighting Problem

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Okay, I thought you said in a later post that he *was* correcting as he went
along. If he's not, there's not much point in enabling "Check spelling as
you type."

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Words into Type
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"Pete B" <petescastle@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Unfortunately, since this customer is working on a book (actually, several
different texts currently) he does not like the idea of correcting as he
goes because it interrupts his progress and his train of thought. I may
noit have mentioned it, but this problem occurs on several different
systems, depending on which system he happens to pick to do his writing;
so
I doubt it is a system or resources problem.

Well, we'll see how it goes. Maybe somebody will get at the actual root
of
the problem somewhere, and at least find exactly what "triggers" the
change
in execution of the software in Word. Maybe someone will find out what
the
precise limit is for uncorrected errors that can be displayed before this
defect occurs.

--
Pete B

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I'm tending increasingly to believe this is a resources issue because I
have
not seen this message in ordinary documents since I upgraded to a better
system. The document in question (with its thousands of family names
"misspelled") was an anomaly, of course. Still, your client has more RAM
than I have, so perhaps that's a red herring.

The only solution I can think of is to deal with the marked words on the
spot (since he is already using "Check spelling as you type"); he can
right-click and choose Ignore All. Interestingly, though, I find that
this
seems to be session-specific. I used to think Word didn't remember what
it
was ignoring from one session to the next, but what I'm finding now, in
a
manuscript I'm typing that has a lot of intentional misspellings
(dialect),
is that it does ignore all instances of a word up to the point where
it's
told to ignore it (and perhaps even henceforward for the given session),
but
when I start typing new text (in a new session), the same word is not
ignored when typed new even though existing instances are still ignored.
Since I don't know how the "ignoring" works (my guess is that it
probably
covertly applies "Do not check spelling or grammar" formatting), I don't
really understand this.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"Pete B" <petescastle@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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That message is similar to what the customer gets. He provided a GIF
of
the
exact screen message he gets, it is one of those yellow boxes with
alert
or
warning status information that Office uses, with the little arrow on
it,
and the message states:

"MIcrosoft Word (and one of those triangular icons with an exclamation
point)

There are too many spelling or grammatical
errors in xxxx.doc to continue displaying
them. To check the spelling and grammar of
this document, choose Spelling and Grammar
from the Tools menu.

..................<OK>..............................."

Maybe this is a problem peculiar to WordXP, but it seems quite common.
Here
is yet another link to a blog that discusses the same defect:

http://www.mcse.ms/message1550491.html

This problem happens with only a modest number of errors displayed,
Word
just stops showing the wavy underlines to indicate errors as you type.
The
document the customer works on is modest size so I do not think it is a
problem with the document or the system, it appears to be a rather
widespread problem with the Word product that for some reason is
unacknowledged by MS .

I appreciate your attention to this. At this point, I have about given
up
on a solution, as has the customer. It would be nice to see MS at
least
acknowledge the existence of the problem, though, because it is not
going
to
go away, and it is becoming more and more publicly discussed as time
goes
on

I will report back if anything new is found, thanks again for trying to
help, in fact thanks for just listening so patiently.

--
Pete B

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I've created documents longer than 300 pp. and much larger than 2 MB.
In
Word 97 (!) on a computer that by today's standards was woefully
underspecced, I created a 270-page (nearly 4 MB) book with over a
hundred
photos (linked), literally hundreds of small tables, and 4,865 XE
fields.
But it was a family history book full of names, and I see that I have
"Hide
spelling errors in this document" checked. If I try to turn it off, I
get
a
message that "There are too many spelling or grammatical errors in
"Link
Family.doc" to continue displaying them. To check the spelling and
grammar
of this document, choose Spelling and Grammar from the Tools menu."

So I ran the spell check manually, just clicking Ignore All on every
name.
I
ran out of patience halfway through the document (stopped at page
135),
but
Word didn't seem to give any indication of wearying. There was one
case
where I was unable to click Ignore All, perhaps because the word
contained
an optional hyphen? At any rate, I clicked Ignore Once, and it
resumed.
In
all those 135 pages, I found only one actual mistake (and it didn't
get
corrected because I was reflexively clicking Ignore All for
everything!),
but the spelling checker seemed not to have a problem with these
literally
thousands of names.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"Pete B" <petescastle@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Well, we can rule outthe formatting causing the problem. When this
problem
does occur, he gets an error message that says he has too many
spelling
errors and Word is shutting down spell checking. However, this is
new
info
that he just told me, I am going to ask him to record everything in
the
error message to see if we can get some ideas that way.

AFA memory hogging or something, he tells me the document is about
300+
pages, about a 2MB file. I really don't think that should cause a
problem.
We'll see....

--
Pete B

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Some things that could help in general would be working in Normal
view
as
much as possible (with background repagination turned off), using
picture
placeholders when possible, telling Word's spell check to ignore
words
with
numbers, and applying a "no proofing" character style to anything
else
that
is clearly not subject to spell-checking. But I still can't help
feeling
that something else is wrong here; I just don't think spell
checking
should
be quitting like that.

One avenue we haven't really explored is whether the text that is
not
being
spell-checked has perhaps somehow gotten formatted as "Do not
check
spelling
or grammar." That of course would explain everything.

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"Pete B" <petescastle@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I do not know for sure, but I am sure it is sizable. Knowing
this
gentleman
as I do, it is highly technical in nature, so it likely uses a
lot
of
graphics, special fonts, math symbols, science graphs, etc.
Memory
may
very
well be a problem, see my other post this morning. He is
strongly
opposed
to breaking up the document, though, so I will leave that
suggestion
alone
for now, although I agree it might help.

Thanks, I will be back if anything else is found that might help.
--
Pete B

"Herb Tyson [MVP]" <herb@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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When you say that it's a book length manuscript, that suggests
to
me
that
it's a large document. How big is it? Does it contain non-text
elements
(e.g., tables, numbered lists, graphics, equations, etc.) that
might
additionally be taxing Word's resources.

When I suggest breaking the document up, I do that based on
years
of
experience with very large documents -- some exceeding 50MB and
contains
numerous graphics, equations, etc. Once documents get very
large,
they
can
become unstable, and Word can become unable to handle them. So,
it
was
in
that context that I was suggesting that breaking the document
up
might
be
a way to manage the problem.

--
Herb Tyson MS MVP
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"Pete B" <petescastle@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Thanks, Susan, and I apologize if my comments seemed abrupt or
rude,
please mark it up to frustration as I have been chasing this
problem
for
quite awhile now with no success. I will check about the RAM
available,
if that would help I will propose it as a solution that should
be
tried.
It certainly sounds reasonable that Word would make the choice
to
limit
the function rather than degrade performance. I will also
mention
the
Autocorrect functionality you discuss, but I think that may
not
be
much
help in this particular case. Lastly, I guess I missed that
newsgroup
you mention, I will look again; had I seen it, I would
certainly
have
tried it first, and maybe that will bear fruit.

BTW I may have not made it clear, Word does not ever refuse to
do
a
spell
check at all, it just shuts down before completing the task
when
this
overload is present; IOW it does proof a "small" portion of
the
document
and then will not check any further if there are too many
errors
detected. So it may very well be a resources problem as you
say

Thanks to both of you for the replies and advice. I will see
what
the
customer says..

--
Pete B

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Well, I would lump poor typing in with poor spelling as being
for
all
practical purposes the same in this instance, but I see your
point.
I
think
this may be a resources issue: that is, very likely adding
more
RAM
to
the
computer would make a difference. Generally speaking, when
Word
shuts
down a
function (suppressing spell checking, for example, or showing
picture
placeholders), it's because resources are taxed to the point
where
the
user
would be even more frustrated by poor performance. But this
would
apply
primarily to "Check spelling as you type." I can't imagine a
situation
where
Word would refuse to spell check a document explicitly, and
this
suggests to
me that something more is going wrong (possible document
corruption,
perhaps?).

I am NOT an authority on Word's proofing tools; to get an
answer
from
those
who are, I suggest you post in the
microsoft.public.word.spelling.grammar
newsgroup.

I would also suggest that, if the user's typing errors are
consistent,
he
consider adding at least some of the corrections as
AutoCorrect
entries
(some may already be in there). I've long since given up hope
of
ever
typing
some words correctly, and since I inevitably mistype them the
same
way,
it's
easier just to have Word perform the correction for me.
AutoCorrect
is
also
a tremendous boon to avoid typing of long strings of words
that
appear
repeatedly in a document; see
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/customization/AutoCorrect.htm.

Pace Herb, I would definitely *not* advise breaking the
document
up.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"Pete B" <petescastle@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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The problem is NOT poor spelling, it is simply that, like
myself,
this
customer is not the world's greatest typist, so he
frequently
mistypes
a
word. The problem is also NOT that Word does not recognize
these
mistakes
because they are in the dictionary, to the contrary it
recognizes
a
certain
number of them but then just stops checking any farther when
it
has
reached
some kind of arbitrary limit.

Not checking the spelling at all rather defeats the purpose
of
having
a
spell check function, so that is also not a solution. Also,
as
I
noted
at
the beginning, the customer does not want to "check as he
goes",
he
prefers
to continue typing and wait until his editing session is
done
before
he
makes corrections; he wants to make all the corrections at
once,
rather
than continually interrupt his work as he types. This is
the
same
way
I
work, because like him I would be stopping every other
sentence
to
correct
mistakes if I were to do it continually as I work.

Telling a customer to change his work habits to accomodate a
defect
in
a
product (if that is what this is) is not my ordinary
business
practice
unless I have no other option, because to me that
essentially
is
the
same
as
telling him it is a bug and there is no fix, so live with
it.
He
purchased
the product in order to continue doing what he has always
done
for
years
with other word processor products, which have never had
such
a
problem.
What I am seeking here is a fix for the apparent problem
with
the
product,
in order that he may work in the manner he is accustomed
after
many
years.
If you are telling me that this is a product defect for
which
there
i
s
no
fix nor software patch or correction, then I will do so but
I
will
clearly
identify to him the source of the problem as being a product
defect,
because
he may want to exchange his software for a non-MS package.
I
do
not
want
to
do this, and I am sure MS does not want an unhappy customer
over
this
either.

Since you appear to be a recognized MS "authority" on this
product,
I
will
ask you flat out whether there is any way to correct this
problem
with
the
MS Word software that is transparent to the user or nearly
so.
This
gentleman is a very prolific writer, and would not take
kindly
to
limiting
or altering his work habits of many years past to accomodate
what
he
considers to be a serious defect in the product, since
non-MS
word
processors have no such defect. At the very least, this
problem
should
certainly be taken under consideration for future correction
by
MS
if
there
is no fix, and as such it would certainly warrant an
immediate
MSKB
article
expressing that fact; at least then I could show him
something
that
indicates concern. As the links I posted show, he is not
the
only
person
having this problem.

--
Pete B

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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If the problem is just poor spelling, then I think the
customer
would
be
better advised to use "Check spelling as you type" and
correct
the
errors
as
he goes. But if the problem is correctly spelled words not
being
recognized
by Word, then the solution would be to either add them to
the
custom
dictionary or format them as "Do not check spelling or
grammar."
The
latter
is easily done by creating a character style, based on
Default
Paragraph
Font, that adds on the the "Do not check spelling or
grammar"
property.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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to
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"Pete B" <petescastle@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Turning off spellcheck is exactly what the customer does
while
he
is
composing the document (but it also happens when he does
it
as
he
goes,
it
is simply a matter of how many errors are detected). He
prefers
to
do
the
corrections as the last step, so that he will not have to
repeat
similar
errors every time they occur. The problem occurs when he
tries
to
spell
check at the finish, that is what causes it. This is a
book-length
manuscript, and he finds it very inconvenient to break it
up
treat
each
session as a separate document. The problem occurs
wheneever
too
many
errors accumulate, that is why I am seeking help.

I really do not understand why it should make any
difference
at
all
when
he
does the spell check nor what the size of the document
is.
Have
you
heard
of this problem before, and is there any fix you are
aware
of?
It
took
me
several years to convince this guy to go with MS Word,
and
now
he
is
ready
to toss it and go back to Wordperfect or Lotus Notes for
his
work.
I
would
apprecia6te any help I can offer him.

--
Pete B

"Herb Tyson [MVP]" <herb@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Why not simply turn off Check Spelling as You Type, and
do
it
all
in
one
fell swoop at the end, by pressing F7?

I prefer to deal with spelling errors as they occur,
since
for
really
egregious errors, I might completely forget a point I
was
trying
to
make,
and hence what word I was trying to use. But, if I were
going
to
save
spell-checking until the end, I certainly wouldn't want
all
of
those
red
squiggly lines distracting me in the meantime. They're
just
one
more
thing
for Word to keep track of, and one more thing to slow
Word
down.

Those points aside, it generally IS a good idea to
break
up
larger
works
into multiple documents. Not only does that make
working
with
(opening,
saving, scrolling, etc.) the components faster, but it
reduces
the
probability of document corruption as well.

Note: I've never worked with Lotus products, so I can't
compare
Word
with
them. All I can tell you is how to get along with Word,
and
how
to
reduce
the risk of losing work. If the customer prefers the
way
Lotus
products
work, then that begs a certain question I'm too polite
to
ask.
;-)

--
Herb Tyson MS MVP
http://www.herbtyson.com
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along.
"Pete B" <petescastle@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I have a customer who is trying to use MS Word XP for
composing
a
book-length document. He is having a problem with the
spellcheck
function
in Word. Whenever he writes, he continues typing
without
stopping
to
correct every spelling or grammar error that Word
detects
and
highlights
for him to take action, he prefers to correct all
errors
in
one
final
pass
through the document when he is finished working on it.

The problem he is having is that, when he reaches a
certain
"threshold"
of accumulated pending corrections, Word simply shuts
off
the
spell
checking function and does not do any furtther
highlighting
of
errors
or
anything. He gets an error message similar to the
following:
"there
are
too many spelling or grammatical errors".

He is forced to break up his work into small
documents,
but
for
him
this
is very cumbersome. Being a recent convert from Lotus
products,
naturally he is very upset claiming he never had the
problem
with
that
product. I have searched and found nothing about this
in
the
MSKB,
but
I
did find a few third-party forums that mention the
same
problem:

http://www.proz.com/topic/39623
http://www.mcse.ms/message1550491.html

Does anyone have any information, fixes, or
workarounds
for
this?
It
appears to be an undocumented error, or else MS just
does
not
want
to
acknowledge the problem, but it is very serious for
this
person.

--
Pete B

























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