Re: Automatic Update Default Settings
- From: "r" <rr>
- Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:14:32 -0700
Thanks Harry... I believe that you are correct. Despite what the words say
on the Automatic Download set up page you are really only setting install
times. Checking for downloads happen through out the day and at turn on.
You are the second person to suggest to me that if a download requires a
user acceptance action of some kind then that may knock the wheels off the
automatic install when turning the computer off. That happens to coincide
with what happened on the 4 month old laptop. Ten updates were waiting to be
installed despite that fact the machine had been turned on and off several
times (and had gone through a couple of 3 AM's while in sleep mode). I
forced the installs of the 10 updates and two of those required user
acceptance of terms. We will see if the auto install returns to normal for
her now.... at least for awhile.
Gulp Gulp... the kool aid is down. :-)
"Harry Johnston [MVP]" <harry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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r,
Let me correct one misapprehension to start with - the 3am is the
*installation* time, not the *download* time. With the default settings,
updates start downloading as soon as they are detected as needed, although
they do so slowly. Very slowly, if the servers are heavily loaded.
When you go to shut down Windows XP, you are normally presented with
either a drop-down menu or a set of buttons, one of which says "Shut
Down". If the updates are downloaded (and provided at least one of them
doesn't require user interaction to install) this will change to "Install
Updates and Shut Down".
Harry.
r wrote:
I am ready to drink the kool aid :-) Well almost LOL
I am absorbing your information and I do appreciate your patientce with
me. I have one last concern if you don't mind?
When you say: "the user will
typically encounter an "Install updates and Turn Off" buttton (instead
of the expected "Turn Off" button) when he next goes to Shutdown" it
makes me wonder if we are talking about the same thing when we say the
computer is "turned off" during the 3AM dowload time.
I mean the compuer is completely off in the old fashion Windows XP
meaning. Instead of selecting the Vista Power button (sleep) they select
the "Lock" "Shut Down" option. Or assume they are running Windows XP and
shut off the computer after use. Will Windows (Vista or Win XP) then down
load updates at boot and clearly offer to install at shut down
automatically even if the computer is "completely off" at the 3AM
download time?
BTW I cannot at this time talk about one specific computer as I don't
have them in my possesion. I just get the joy of seeing them when in a
state of general disrepair.
"
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Actually, the updates will download and if the machine's not running at
the assigned/selected time (3:00 AM never made any sense to me; then
again, NAV used to update only once a week...at 2 AM, Saturday), the
user will typically encounter an "Install updates and Turn Off" buttton
(instead of the expected "Turn Off" button) when he next goes to
Shutdown.
A computer can be free of all hijackware, etc., yet Automatic
Updates/Windows Update still won't work because there's more to do than
just removing the Bad Guys.
Again, we can assist you on a one-computer-at-a-time basis here or in
other newsgroups and Windows forums.
r wrote:
Again thank you so much for your time.
The problem I have is not that I don't know how to install updates.
Instead
it is the people that come to me refuse to learn how to practice
offense
when it comes to security updates. So I have relied on Automatic
Updates to
do the job and for some reason it has either failed or lagged greatly.
The
machines are not suffering from hijack viruses... I have checked. But
10
downloads sitting in the downloads waiting to be installed while the
machine
has been booted and restarted once every day indicates to me that the
downloads are happening but auto update is not installing them
automatically.
I suppose I'm yelling into the wind here. My auto update on my machines
work
as MS says they should. But then again the machines are on at 3 AM. I
am
less convinced that the MS boot up auto download and install works very
well
if the machines are off at the default time. Yes you can force the
installs
but I can't seem to train the monkeys to do it. :-)
BTW I did change the time to more match when they use the laptops. But
I
cannot find any MS article that states the download will "install"
"automatically" even if the machine is not on at the set time. IN fact
both
your link and the one I showed say the exact opposite.
Oh well life goes on and I've been wrong before.
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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The problem is I have worked on three laptops lately and all wereMissing security updates is not that same as Automatic Updates not
missing
security updates.
having
installed them yet. And the reason the updates are missing or AU
hasn't
installed them yet will vary from machine to machine and Windows
version
to Windows version.
That being said, you should be able to update any of the machines
manually
via Windows Update website (WinXP) or via running Windows Update
manually
(Vista). If you're unable to do so, we'd have to handle it on a
per-machine basis.
The #1 reason for updates not installing, AU not working, and being
unable
to update manually is hijackware infections.
r wrote:
First thank for your response.
I know you can change the time. And if you had asked me two days ago
I
would have responded the same as you.
The problem is I have worked on three laptops lately and all were
missing
security updates. One was four months old and had 10 downloaded
updates
waiting for manual install. One was brand new that I had just three
days
before installed all updates. When next I see it had one update
nedding
to
be downloaded. The last was an older XP machine that was missing 40
upgrades
... none downloaded. All three machines had automatic updates
running
and
set at the 3AM default... and all three machines are seldom if ever
on at
3AM.
I read your first link and it says in part: "Automatic Updates waits
until
the scheduled day and time to install the updates." I have read
another
MS
Support document http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525 that says:
"Click
to
select the day and time for scheduled updates to download and
install.
You
can schedule Automatic Updates for any time of day. However, your
computer
must be on at the scheduled time for updates to be installed. "
I had another person give me the same response as you with a caveat
that
says you may have to manually install updates that require
"acceptance of
terms" action by the user. He thinks all updates issued after an
"acceptance of terms" update will hang in the "waiting to install"
until
the
first is installed manually.
Lastly I cannot find an MS article that says updates from the
Automatic
Update will:
1. Download updates on boot up or at regular intervals on its own
(although
I suspect they do, at least in Vista), or
2. At boot up or shut down will install downloaded upgrades without
any
manual action on the users part.
So I am a little confused and worried about machines of my family
that I
know are never on at 3AM. Either Auto Updates does not work as we
think
(IE
Windows will download and install updates upon boot up and shut down
despite
the time and day settings in Auto Update) or two laptops of friends
have
another problem(s) that does not allow auto updates to work as we
expect.
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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The updates will be automatically installed when you next start your"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
computer.
How to schedule automatic updates in Windows Server 2003, in Windows
XP,
and in Windows 2000:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327838
Should you wish to have more control over this, you can select the
Download but Notify or Notify Only setting. See...
How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
PS: You /can/ change that time, you know?
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
r wrote:
Windows XP and Vista have a default setting to download and install
setting
set at 3AM.
If your computer is never on at 3AM what happens?
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The updates will be automatically installed when you next start your
computer.
How to schedule automatic updates in Windows Server 2003, in Windows
XP,
and in Windows 2000:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327838
Should you wish to have more control over this, you can select the
Download but Notify or Notify Only setting. See...
How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
PS: You /can/ change that time, you know?
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
r wrote:
Windows XP and Vista have a default setting to download and install
setting
set at 3AM.
If your computer is never on at 3AM what happens?
.
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