Re: Installing New Windows Defender Updates


"Phil Rabichow" <ZZ@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:49B9341F.4BBA3313@xxxxxxxxx
Hi Robert:
I know that if the updates say "Restart required" that any kind of reboot is sufficient.
However, I don't get any message about a reboot required. It's only when I press Alt+F4 &
hover the mouse over the "turn off" that I get a message allowing me to either shut down
without installing or shut down with installing. When you say the AU overlay only applies
to shutdown, that's what I want to change. I want to install without shutting down the
computer.


If you are restarting and later rebooting and the update
which has been downloaded is already installed up to the
point of reboot, I think there would not be any point in
using the Turn off option. As you saw you can check
for that case using the ReportingEvents.log. The only
remaining thing to check would be (before the first boot)
the PendingFileRenameOperations list and the versions
of the modules that it gave.

BTW this just happened to me as PA Bear described.
I have been rebooting using Restart to switch to other
partitions while the malware removal tool would not
download. Today, finally, I got to see the AU icon again;
ran the malware removal tool and now expect not to see
the overlay on the Turn off button again the next time
I reboot. (As a partial test of that case I just pushed the
Sleep button on my keyboard, which I have configured
to show the shut down prompt and indeed there is no overlay.)
IOW the overlay of the icon for all the other times I was booting
(via Restart but probably I would have seen it if I had been using
Turn off too) seem to be just quirks about that other update
which had not yet downloaded, not really significant information
about the one which had actually caused it and which by now
was already completely installed and active.

I would have to do more detailed analysis of the latest logs
to confirm this speculation but it seems adequate to explain
my observations and agrees with PA Bear's description too,
so I may not bother. ; )


Robert
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Thanks again. I appreciate your time.

Phil

Robert Aldwinckle wrote:

"Phil Rabichow" <zz@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:49B830AE.B307895@xxxxxxxxx
Hi Robert:
Thanks for responding, but I'm not sure that I understand what you're saying. I DO
install before I reboot. However, the install requires a reboot. It doesn't happen
automatically. I have to manually reboot. I don't mind that.

What I'm trying to
change is shutting off the machine completely & doing a cold reboot. When you say
"Because that's the way it works", that's what I'm trying to find out.

I meant that the AU overlay only applies to the Shut down
case. If you are just doing a reboot because the updates
say Restart required then any kind of reboot is sufficient.

Essentially all you are doing is making sure that modules
being updated are not in use so they can be renamed.
Search for the term PendingFileRenameOperations
for more information.

Can you install
new Defender updates by doing a warm reboot or do you need to do a cold reboot?

I'm not on my Vista partition right now but I'm not sure
Defender updates even require a reboot. Are you actually
being asked to do one for that case or just imagining that
it is needed?

In any case if you have installed some updates and just
need a reboot for that, a Restart would be sufficient.
AFAIK you would not need to do a complete power off
and the Shut down button would not have its overlay.

HTH

Robert
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Thanks,
Phil

Robert Aldwinckle wrote:

"Phil Rabichow" <zz@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:49B80915.7611CD34@xxxxxxxxx
Hi Robear:
Thanks for responding. Yes, I have only 1 user account with administrator
privileges. I can install updates by choosing Shutdown & then starting up after
the computer shuts off.

What I'm wondering is why I can't just reboot without
shutting down completely & still install updates.

Because that's the way it works? ; )

Why aren't you installing the updates *before* you
shut down? In some cases where the updates require
restart that would initiate a timed reboot anyway (which
others complain bitterly about because they don't save
their work apparently.)

HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
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In other words, I can install by choosing Start/Turn off computer & then choosing
"turn off" with the additional choice of installing. I would like to just choose
"restart", so I can walk away & install updates. Currently, I have to stick
around until the computer turns off & then manually start again. I'd like to
change that behavior. Is that possible? Does everyone have to shut down
completely to install udpates?
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Thanks again,

Phil

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

Are you logged-in /as/ the Administrator when this happens?

If you select Shutdown then reboot, are you finding that the updates have
not installed?

References:

Automatic Updates in WinXP
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/windowsupdate/learn/windowsxp.mspx

How to configure and use Automatic Updates in WinXP:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306525
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~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
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Phil Rabichow wrote:
I have WinXP SP-2. When I have to install new updates that require a
reboot, such as Windows Defender, I always have to shut down the computer
to
install them. i.e. when I press Alt+F4, my choices Standby, Restart,
Shutdown...but only Shutdown gives me the option to install updates.

Is there a way to change the behavior so that I can simply reboot
(Restart)
to install the updates.









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