Re: SP3 and HP/AMD Computers

Yo'

I can count...... Frankly, from a customer's standpoint, it doesn't matter
who screwed up here. HP uses Microsoft and Microsoft uses HP. Meanwhile, in
situations like this, they both USE the USER. Who are these prgrammers
anyway? 25 year old hyped up ego-maniacal geeks playing inter-corporate
competetive games with themselves?

Like I say: OUR time...THEIR money.



"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Get yourself an abacus, Sasha.

sasha gottfried wrote:
The blame game can go on and on. The arrogance, and lack of communication
between these mega-bux, computer comrades is criminal. Who expects John Q
Customer to know what the hell "Sysrep Scenarios" are anyway!

Pathetic!

But thanks to this newsgroup for the heads up on these corporate clowns.

MT



"MowGreen [MVP]" <mowgreen@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I agree that the customer loses, sasha. BUT, HP has been well aware of
Unsupported Sysprep Scenarios for quite some time now:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/828287

Read the ' Different processor vendors ' section.
There is definitely something amiss with how MS tests updates|SPs and
with
their lack of communication skills.

However, this issue is directly attributable to HP, plain and simple.

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
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Never Forgotten
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sasha gottfried wrote:

Don't tell me Microsoft wasn't aware of this! Or was it just a set-up
to
blame the OEM's? Either way.......the customer loses!


"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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sasha gottfried wrote:

Doesn't Microsoft confer with major computer manufacturers before
putting out a major OS upgrade? As you say, HP manufactures many
AMD based computers. Are you telling me Microsoft isn't aware of
this, or doesn't bother testing their SP3 on such systems using
this 'image' applied? You'd think that between HP and Microsoft
they would 'expose' the mistake before allowing it to be foisted on
customers. But hell, our time is not THEIR money, is it?

The OEMs pay less to Microsoft for the licenses of Windows XP (OEM
License agreements) so they can make more profit selling to the
end-consumer and for that they provide the end-consumer support for
the
machine - including the installed OS. That is a choice they made.

Given that choice and the fact that SP3 has been available in some
form
(beta and otherwise) to the OEMs for over a year - they should have
taken
the responsibility and tested it. Not to mention - any OEM that
decided
an AMD processor was the same as an Intel processor (thus making one
image) likely should have thought that out better. I am having
trouble
seeing it from your point of view that Microsoft (SP3) is to blame
when
it was not Microsoft that made the image being used by said OEMs nor
were
they the ones responsible for testing things on the OEMs own
equipment.

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Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
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