Re: SP2/Java problems - IT DOES NOT WORK, period!!!!!!
- From: "ssea" <ssea@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:00:08 -0700
"IF" you know what you are talking about, answer my questions, and give me
some additional details - machines you are running, specs of those machines,
anything you did special, type of sites you are using that use java applets
and you are not having any problems with, etc. Also, does your "Windows Task
Mgr" work properly?? It will with anything but SUN JAVA situations.
I, too, know what I am talking about when I say it does not work! I am a
very experienced user with advanced skills in various areas of the IT
environment. I have worked in the main frame/emulating/networking/pc
environment for "eons;" program in various languages and data base programs;
troubleshoot computers, programs, and networks; evaluate and buy software,
hardware; critique and develop websites but not an advanced website builder;
et cetera. I am a jack of all trades, nevew will master it all 'cause it
changes too fast -- and know that there is always something more to learn.
If you have never had to END a window that says it is RESPONDING but is NOT
in Task Mgr, you are not using the java that I am using OR as I use it. This
is a known issue in WIN XP and seems to be connected to Sun Java.
Now... tell me how you use JAVA and what you think is different on your
machine that YOURS is working and "mine ( ours )" is not ?
Again.. your saying IT WORKS and you know what you are talking about mean
NOTHING!!! I have proved too many like you wrong who THOUGHT their Sun Java
was working and it was not. They were having the same issues as I "am"
having and didn't recognize it for what it is.
My specs again:
--WIN XP HOME (but it is not working any better with PRO which I will be
installing just to verify that very soon on my NON working machine)
--INTERNET EXPLORER 6.0 w/ sp2
--3.4 Intel processor
--550 hyperthreading
--1 mg of ram
My two machines that will not work properly with SUN JAVA were manufactured
by Gateway and Dell. But I have also verified the java was not working
properly on an HP, EMACHINE, various other machines with varying processor
speeds, et cetera.
Can't find any common denominator for the problem other than SUN JAVA. I
also read where SUN has some kind of legal issue going on right now with
Microsoft involving needing secret code specs or info, and I think it is
reference to this issue of trying to get Sun Java to work with Microsoft
products.
So, Tom Pepper Willet, tell us why YOUR Sun Java works and no one else's
does! We are all anxiously awaiting your "inside" info! Especially me! :))
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"Tom Pepper Willett" wrote:
> Yes, it works. And I do know what I'm talking about.
>
> Tom
> "ssea" <ssea@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:64F3DA8C-9E7A-46D3-BEDE-250BDF6159DC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | Hi Tom,
> |
> | Works, huh?? Now you realize we are talking Java and applets within
> | Internet Explorer while on sites on the internet, right ?? How do you use
> | your machines and is your little java icon showing on your task bar that
> you
> | are really using something "java." And are you sure you are using "sun
> java?"
> |
> | Also, all tests say mine is "working" (on some sites it seemed to take
> hours
> | to get it to work - hahaha) and also that I have the "latest version".
> |
> | I can USE it, even with errors a lot of the time, unless I go to SHUT IT
> | DOWN, where as it will lock me up, hang, use up memory ( if the problem
> was
> | not detected and ended through task mgr ) but that is not considered
> | "working" and defnitely not properly and even more definitely "not" like
> the
> | OLD MICROSOFT JAVA!!! It is totally frustrating to do what I done for
> eons
> | but with a million problems I never encountered before.
> |
> | OH... and don't forget how LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG it takes to load an
> applet,
> | as we are talking applets in particular.
> |
> | Many times I will get error messages, which many are seeing with some of
> the
> | last updates to the SUN JAVA, such as "exception error," but still be able
> to
> | use the function -- until you go to END THAT WINDOW or start a new one,
> etc.
> | With one update my "ABOUT JAVA" window was even locking on me. I had to
> | "removed" everything from "add remove programs," redo java, and it did
> | correct this problem. BUt all I was doing was an update when this
> occurred.
> |
> | I also find it especially annoying not to be able to SHUT DOWN one thing
> | that is "not responding" in Task Mgr, rather than Task Mgr taking
> everything
> | java down when you end just one item.
> |
> | This is a new machine, latest technology, and both intel 3.4 machines I
> | purchased worked the same way -- but they are the first I have used the
> "new
> | Java" and the only machines I have had problems with in my possession
> (about
> | 8). But also the only machines using sun java.
> |
> | Sorry to say, I knew about this problem and didn't mean to "eliminate" my
> | old java. That was a flick of the finger mistake I deeply regret when
> | downloading updates.
> |
> | As I said.. I have proved over and over to many TECHIES and CONSULTANT
> | friends, that their java is not really working as expected without the
> | problems I am describing. Some will say.. 'oh, yeah.. it will lock up!l'
> | and if you have to 'end it, you will shut down anything using java'.
> Some
> | take this in stride as "par for the course" and not a flaw but it is not
> | performing as I would expect NOR is it performing flawlessly as the Old
> Java.
> | Plus I find it so frustrating that I am thinking of redoing my machine
> with
> | the old WIN 98, which included the old java -- and which I had NO problems
> | NOR was I bothered by all the viruses and hackers, etc that target my WIN
> XP.
> |
> | So, Tom -- IF your java really works, then what is the secret?? I have
> | tried EVERYTHING posted in this site, contacted SUN, and it seems that My
> | Problems are "known issues" regardless of whether you realize it or not.
> |
> | If you know of anything that would make mine work -- or a conflict such
> as
> | some software or hardware that might be a known problem with SUN JAVA, I
> | would be greatly interested in checking it out to see if it could be a
> | source. But so far have come up nothing other than what I described here
> as
> | "known problems"!
> |
> | But thanks for your input. :)
> |
> | "Tom Pepper Willett" wrote:
> |
> | > Sun Java works without any issues on 50+ machines at our office, and on
> my
> | > home pc.
> | >
> | > Tom
> | > "ssea" <ssea@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> | > news:90C41A62-FCEE-4F36-B342-96292B286D55@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > |
> | > | SUN JAVA DOES NOT WORK-- PERIOD! It will not make any difference
> what
> | > you
> | ----- snip
>
>
>
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