Re: KB837009.. same Windows Update every day!!!
From: Noel Paton (NoelDPspamless_at_btopenworld.com)
Date: 01/23/05
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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:12:11 -0000
In a fully updated VM of ME I see the following entries in A/R programs
IE (Q880203)
.NET Framework 1.1
MDAC KB 870669
IE6SP1 & Internet Tools
OE6
MS VGX Q833989
OE Q887797
Windows ME Q823559 Update
(and that's all from MS - after a clean install, updating with the CD, and
then patching from Windows Update))
It's now 1:11 in the a.m. and I can't see straight<g> - I'll attempt a
response in the morning.
-- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message news:O6PxQLOAFHA.3836@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message > news:uHy8AiLAFHA.2676@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >> The Security CD is simply a collection of WIndowsUpdates - no more and no >> less. >> The wrapper on the CD forces the install of ALL the available updates on >> the >> CD, in their proper order. > > So then wouldn't we expect Joann to see them in Add/Remove Programs? > > Any idea *which* of those updates installed that 6.00.2800.1478? > Perhaps there is one which I am not aware of which *can* be uninstalled > and reinstalled. > > E.g. is there an equivalent WinME version of 887797? > What module versions does it involve? > > Yes! I had forgotten that I had my XPsp1 partition updated. > I have 887797 on it and 6.00.2800.1478 is the new version > that it installs. > > Why the heck don't they include module version in the logs? > And why isn't there better documentation of that update period? > > > Now, getting back to Joann and her WinME. > She says she can't see any OE entries in Add/Remove Programs. > Is that expected or not? Actually I didn't explicitly ask her to check > for 887797. Since that supersedes both 837009 and 823353 > I imagine it might make those two to disappear from that list? > Also, in XP the user has to check a box in A/RP labeled Show Updates. > Is there by any chance a similar box that WinME users have to check? > If so I would be hopeful that to fix the regressed module what she might > do is check that box and then look for 887797, then uninstall > and reinstall that update. > > > If as you suggest all cumulative updates were installed by the Security > Update CD then uninstalling 887797 would probably restore the > versions from 823353. Do you think it would be necessary also to > uninstall 823353 which in turn presumably would revert to 837009? > And what about that one? The only reason for doing anything more > than uninstalling and reinstalling 887797 would be to try to make WU > behave. > It would be interesting to see what WU would do if she backed out to > 837009 > and could see it listed there in her A/RP. > > > Since the version of msident.dll is common to all three updates > I suspect that simply uninstalling 887797 could fix that problem, > although we don't know at which point that regression occurred. > Thinking about it some more the most likely reason that I can > see for the regression to have occurred would be that the copy > failed when 837009 was done; so most likely no fix to it would occur > simply as a result of doing an uninstall. She would have to do > at least one reinstall to replace that module. > > >> >> MS considered (in their infinite wisdom and supposedly better knowledge) >> that this was a better thing than allowing the user to duck out of some >> upgrades (WMP9 and others) and discounted evidence that some older >> machines >> couldn't run the upgraded apps. >> >> As a matter of routine in all systems that I come into contact with, I >> run >> Belarc Advisor, to assess the state of the Hotfixes/patches - anything >> that >> shows as barfed in that definitely needs a re-install, and anything where >> it >> shows as 'could not be verified', needs further investigation of the type >> that I see you've already done with Joann's system, >> >> Should forcing the patch to install cause problems, then it's a fairly >> simple matter to force a reinstall of the subsequent patches. (Belarc >> gives >> links to the MSKB articles involved) > > > I would now agree to a /N:V install but for 887797 > The idea would be to fix the msident.dll problem > and ensure that an update which supersedes 837009 > is clearly and correctly in place. If 837009 continues > to be offered after that I would conclude that there is > a bug in the WU database (at least for WinME). > > > Thanks for your help, Noel. > > > Robert > --- > >
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