Re: What price SP2 - to Jupiter
From: Derek (Derek_at_noisp.invalid)
Date: 08/16/04
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:30:40 +0200
Edward,
I'll resist the temptation of being rude back to you, after all this is a
public forum.
You say that it is just a matter of restoring to a point before the trouble
began, oh that I could, unfortunately I am unable to restore to the point of
pre-v5 which removed my v4 history. When you say that my problems are of my
own making, you obviously don't comprehend very well....I said that v4 was
changed to v5 unsolicited and at this time some of my data was removed.
Georgia also reported the same phenomenon and Torgeir Bakken stated that he
had had similar reports.
I don't yearn for the days of Windows 95 although I sometimes have to work
on a friends computer with this OS.
For your information I do keep my computer clean with AntiVirus, Firewall,
Anti-Adware software and my computer is kept up to date with the latest
security patches.
My computer was perfectly stable and without problems prior to the
unsolicited implementation of Software Distribution Service 2.0.
I am please for you that you were able to upgrade to SP2 without too many
problems, I only hope I have the same experience when SP2 is finally
released. However, you did report some problems which you overcame. There
are many people out there that will not be able to resolve their problems
and as I said at the beginning of this thread the Repair Shops are going
to make a fortune.
Derek
"Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:uthAb25gEHA.2916@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Thre amount of nonsense and gross over statements you espouse is
laughable.
> If you have been using computers as long as you claim you must be a
complete
> idiot if you have to spend the amount of time talking to MS and on this
and
> other news groups to keep your machine running properly, whatever that is
> supposed to mean. There seems to be no reason why you cannot return to
your
> "nice stable troublefree, easily fixed is necessary, Windows 95". I think
> if you did that you may very quickly change your mind.
>
> Software today is generally speaking bug free for the 'normal' user,
maybe
> not for those who want to find fault or it is their livelyhood to find
fault
> or run into some rank bad luck with either incompatible software or
> hardware. I think I use a broad selection of what I would call business
> software, no games, and keep my hardware and software up to date as I do
> security programs, such AVPs, Firewalls, Spyware detection and the like.
I
> use to defrag weekly but now leave that to Diskeeper. I have no problems
> other than those of my own making caused when I get bored and fool around
> with settings and the like. Even then, with a current backup of the
> Registry and an Image of my drives it is simplicity to make a restore
should
> things go wrong. I see in these news groups many claims of bugs, in 99%
of
> the cases the problems are nothing to do with the OS and everything to do
> with the Operator.
>
> In the case of SP2, for me and from what I many others, it installed
> faultlessly. Yes, I like others had a hiccup here and there due to the
> firewall being automatically enabled and I also had a problem with the
build
> of Sygate I installed but that must have taken all of 15 minutes to sort
> out. My machines and the network I run never missed a 'beat'. Now why is
> you are having all these problems? Is it perhaps something to do with
you?
>
> I think you are confusing 'buggy' software with the problems MS are having
> with those anti social types who get their kicks from inventing many and
> various schemes to interfere with our computers via the Internet. MS is
> battling on our behalf to thwart the intent of these people. You may take
> the position that MS should have anticipated the extent and ingenuity of
> this criminal class when they coded the software but I suspect that is
> likely to be an impossibility. Again, generally speaking, there must be
> exceptions, those that have problems are those that do not practice 'safe'
> computing by maintaining their security systems up to date or in many
cases
> not having any security whatsoever. None of this is the fault of MS.
>
> "Parkers-Georgia & Bob" <ashbroke@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:e%232Vom4gEHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > To Jupiter as well - I understand what you are saying, but what happened
> > to
> > Derek happened to me as well. I had NO warning about v5 installing
itself,
> > even though I was supposed to be notified. Microsoft is doing more than
> > "maintaining" - it is "overtaking". I resent that very much. As someone
> > who
> > has spent literally HOURS AND HOURS in these newsgroups and other sites
> > on-line at Microsoft sorting out the appropriate knowledge I need to
keep
> > my
> > system running properly, I do not want Microsoft over-riding my choices.
> >
> > I have friends and family who are not as computer literate as I am, and
do
> > not do proper maintenance as I do. They rely on me to tell them when to
do
> > what needs doing. I immediately contacted them to disable the Automatic
> > Updates (rather than the "notify" option) because I do not feel like
> > troubleshooting their systems when SP2 arrives and messes them up. I
have
> > NO faith in Microsoft's ability to provide a NON-BUGGY product on the
> > first
> > try! This SP2 will probably require more patches and hotfixes than SP1,
> > and
> > still be no better. So why bother to add another headache to the ones I
> > already have with some hotfixes which somehow have created small issues
in
> > my system? Microsoft needs to take a look at the majority of their
> > consumers and realize that probably 75% of them never read newsgroups,
or
> > technology news, and their systems suddenly crash due to an upgrade or
> > something - these users need a consumer-friendly product! I remember
when
> > XP was first introduced - it was supposed to be the "most stable" ,etc.,
> > product in years. I would give anything to be using my nice stable
> > troublefree, easily fixed is necessary, Windows 95. And I am not new to
> > computers - I remember in the early 80's using an old WANG which was an
> > entire DESK, not a desktop!!!!!! A floppy disk WAS a floppy disk as big
> > as
> > a dinner plate!
> > Georgia
> >
> >
> > "Derek Nicholson" <bg@online.uk> wrote in message
> > news:eJYnUp2gEHA.1344@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> Jupiter,
> >> The point I have been trying to make is that although my options were
set
> > to
> >> "notify me of updates but don't install them", MS changed my computer
> >> without warning. On 11 Aug. "Software Distribution Service 2.0" was
> >> installed, without warning on two computers when implementing KB810243
> >> and
> >> KB810243. Both these machines had the Iuhist.xml removed. Prior to
> > August
> >> 11 I had decided that I would sit back and wait for the bugs to be
ironed
> >> out before changing my computers but this decision was taken out of my
> >> hands. Must we accept this heavy handiness without protest? Yes
> >>
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=8BCE6BBA-EA5D-4425-89C1-C1CB1CCD463C&displaylang=en
> >> was published on the 10 August (with very little advertising) but I had
> > not
> >> seen it at the time of the MS intrusion.
> >> There must be millions of users who are unaware that MS will
> >> automatically
> >> change their OS without warning, I await the general release of SP2
with
> >> interest.
> >> Derek
> >>
> >> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:%23JtGyU0gEHA.1764@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> : Derek;
> >> : The point is even a toaster needs maintenance.
> >> : At least any toaster I have used accumulates crumbs at the bottom.
> >> : There are people that do more for their toaster than their computer
> >> : and yet expect the computer to continue to work flawlessly, it can't
> >> : and won't.
> >> : The fact a computer costs more is a good reason why people should
> >> : expect to do more to maintain the computer not less.
> >> :
> >> : The tool to disable SP-2 installation was only made available 10
> >> : August, since then it is widely referenced on many newsgroups and
> >> : websites.
> >> : So I am not sure why or where pressure was applied.
> >> :
> >> : As for v4 to v5, it is common knowledge that the upgrade is random
> >> : over time, similar for Service Pack 2 starting tomorrow if Microsoft
> >> : keeps with the schedule which they have so far.
> >> : It is also common knowledge that switching the 5 in place of 4 starts
> >> : the upgrade of the software.
> >> :
> >> : Perhaps that is not what you meant, but if it was, you may have
looked
> >> : in the wrong places.
> >> :
> >> : --
> >> : Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >> : http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> >> :
> >> :
> >> : "Derek" <Derek@noisp.invalid> wrote in message
> >> : news:%237cQOeygEHA.2984@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> : > Jupiter Jones,
> >> : > I have now, after applying pressure, found how to block SP2 (be it
> >> : > temporarily). This information is not easily located, I think a
> >> : > little more
> >> : > published information would not go amiss. As for comparing a
> >> : > computer with
> >> : > a toaster, a toaster is relatively cheap and is quickly replaced
> >> : > when
> >> : > defective whereas a computer is not so easily come by. I
understand
> >> : > that
> >> : > there is a need for this SP2 upgrade, but when the preparatory v4
to
> >> : > v5
> >> : > gives three different results on three different computers and
> >> : > nobody can
> >> : > really explain why, along with known bugs with earlier MS software
> >> : > are you
> >> : > surprised that users are a bit hesitant with this new major change?
> >> : > Derek
> >> : >
> >> : > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in
message
> >> : > news:Ot91i3wgEHA.3476@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> : >> Derek;
> >> : >> The reality is perhaps it is time more people start to learn there
> >> : >> is
> >> : >> more to a computer than a toaster.
> >> : >> But even a toaster needs periodic maintenance.
> >> : >> And as for your statement in the other post "about to be invaded
by
> >> : >> MS", extremely misleading since it is easy to turn it off.
> >> : >> Another reality is if updates do not get installed automatically
in
> >> : >> this or similar way, they will not be installed on many computers.
> >> : >>
> >> : >> Do you know what happens then?
> >> : >> Do you know what you might see?
> >> : >> Peoples computers being taken over remotely directly or by a virus
> >> : >> sending out countless spam.
> >> : >> Countless spam causing direct and indirect costs increases for YOU
> >> : >> and
> >> : >> others.
> >> : >> Direct...your ISP has to add equipment to deal with extra spam.
> >> : >> Indirect...In business this spam is eating man-hours and other
> >> : >> resources, again resources paid for by YOU and others.
> >> : >>
> >> : >> Without updates, those and other worse things may happen because
> >> : >> many
> >> : >> need it done automatically.
> >> : >> Wait...those things are already happening.
> >> : >> This is a problem that has been growing.
> >> : >> There is no perfect solution.
> >> : >>
> >> : >> To identify a problem and offer no solution is really nothing at
> >> : >> all.
> >> : >> What is your solution?
> >> : >>
> >> : >> --
> >> : >> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >> : >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> >> : >>
> >> : >>
> >> : >> "Derek" <Derek@noisp.invalid> wrote in message
> >> : >> news:OXvVa4vgEHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> : >> > Good for you az-willie, but there are many people out there who
> >> : >> > are
> >> : >> > not
> >> : >> > aware of these newsgroups or are not bothered to discover what
is
> >> : >> > going on
> >> : >> > in the world. They use their computers to surf the web and
write
> >> : >> > e-mails,
> >> : >> > they believe that by setting their options for automatic updates
> >> : >> > this will
> >> : >> > take care of everything. As for defragment and other procedures
> >> : >> > they look
> >> : >> > blankly at you and think you are conversing in a foreign
> >> : >> > language.
> >> : >> > Obviously from recent posts, they are now in for a rude
> >> : >> > awakening.
> >> : >> > Derek
> >> : >> >
> >> : >> >
> >> : >> > "az-willie" <sclause@npole.com> wrote in message
> >> : >> > news:v0OTc.2951$ni.1603@okepread01...
> >> : >> >> On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:35:21 +0200, Derek wrote:
> >> : >> >>
> >> : >> >> > Reading through posts on this and other newsgroups I am under
> >> : >> >> > the
> >> : >> >> > impression that the repair shops are going to make a fortune,
> >> : >> >> > plus these
> >> : >> >> > repairers will be so busy many users will be without their
> >> : >> >> > computers for
> >> : >> >> > long periods of time. There are many many people out there
> >> : >> >> > completely
> >> : >> >> > unaware that, without they're permission, their machines are
> >> : >> >> > about to be
> >> : >> >> > invaded by MS and possibly left incapacitated.
> >> : >> >> >
> >> : >> >> > Derek Nicholson
> >> : >> >>
> >> : >> >> ======
> >> : >> >> I installed with no problem at all.
> >> : >> >>
> >> : >> >> First I made a backup.
> >> : >> >>
> >> : >> >> Then I ran Registry Mechanic to make sure my registry was
clean.
> >> : >> >>
> >> : >> >> Then I ran Diskeeper Pro and did a boot time defrag ( moves
> >> : >> >> files
> >> : >> >> Windows
> >> : >> >> won't ).
> >> : >> >>
> >> : >> >> Then I made another backup with everything defragged and
cleaned
> >> : >> >> up
> >> : >> >>
> >> : >> >> THEN I installed the SP2 and I haven't discovered a single
> >> : >> >> problem
> >> : >> >> so far.
> >> : >> >>
> >> : >> >
> >> : >> >
> >> : >>
> >> : >>
> >> : >
> >> : >
> >> :
> >> :
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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