Re: What price SP2 - to Jupiter
From: Parkers-Georgia & Bob (ashbroke_at_earthlink.net)
Date: 08/16/04
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:10:14 -0400
To Jupiter as well - I understand what you are saying, but what happened to
Derek happened to me as well. I had NO warning about v5 installing itself,
even though I was supposed to be notified. Microsoft is doing more than
"maintaining" - it is "overtaking". I resent that very much. As someone who
has spent literally HOURS AND HOURS in these newsgroups and other sites
on-line at Microsoft sorting out the appropriate knowledge I need to keep my
system running properly, I do not want Microsoft over-riding my choices.
I have friends and family who are not as computer literate as I am, and do
not do proper maintenance as I do. They rely on me to tell them when to do
what needs doing. I immediately contacted them to disable the Automatic
Updates (rather than the "notify" option) because I do not feel like
troubleshooting their systems when SP2 arrives and messes them up. I have
NO faith in Microsoft's ability to provide a NON-BUGGY product on the first
try! This SP2 will probably require more patches and hotfixes than SP1, and
still be no better. So why bother to add another headache to the ones I
already have with some hotfixes which somehow have created small issues in
my system? Microsoft needs to take a look at the majority of their
consumers and realize that probably 75% of them never read newsgroups, or
technology news, and their systems suddenly crash due to an upgrade or
something - these users need a consumer-friendly product! I remember when
XP was first introduced - it was supposed to be the "most stable" ,etc.,
product in years. I would give anything to be using my nice stable
troublefree, easily fixed is necessary, Windows 95. And I am not new to
computers - I remember in the early 80's using an old WANG which was an
entire DESK, not a desktop!!!!!! A floppy disk WAS a floppy disk as big as
a dinner plate!
Georgia
"Derek Nicholson" <bg@online.uk> wrote in message
news:eJYnUp2gEHA.1344@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Jupiter,
> The point I have been trying to make is that although my options were set
to
> "notify me of updates but don't install them", MS changed my computer
> without warning. On 11 Aug. "Software Distribution Service 2.0" was
> installed, without warning on two computers when implementing KB810243 and
> KB810243. Both these machines had the Iuhist.xml removed. Prior to
August
> 11 I had decided that I would sit back and wait for the bugs to be ironed
> out before changing my computers but this decision was taken out of my
> hands. Must we accept this heavy handiness without protest? Yes
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=8BCE6BBA-EA5D-4425-89C1-C1CB1CCD463C&displaylang=en
> was published on the 10 August (with very little advertising) but I had
not
> seen it at the time of the MS intrusion.
> There must be millions of users who are unaware that MS will automatically
> change their OS without warning, I await the general release of SP2 with
> interest.
> Derek
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23JtGyU0gEHA.1764@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> : Derek;
> : The point is even a toaster needs maintenance.
> : At least any toaster I have used accumulates crumbs at the bottom.
> : There are people that do more for their toaster than their computer
> : and yet expect the computer to continue to work flawlessly, it can't
> : and won't.
> : The fact a computer costs more is a good reason why people should
> : expect to do more to maintain the computer not less.
> :
> : The tool to disable SP-2 installation was only made available 10
> : August, since then it is widely referenced on many newsgroups and
> : websites.
> : So I am not sure why or where pressure was applied.
> :
> : As for v4 to v5, it is common knowledge that the upgrade is random
> : over time, similar for Service Pack 2 starting tomorrow if Microsoft
> : keeps with the schedule which they have so far.
> : It is also common knowledge that switching the 5 in place of 4 starts
> : the upgrade of the software.
> :
> : Perhaps that is not what you meant, but if it was, you may have looked
> : in the wrong places.
> :
> : --
> : Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> : http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> :
> :
> : "Derek" <Derek@noisp.invalid> wrote in message
> : news:%237cQOeygEHA.2984@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> : > Jupiter Jones,
> : > I have now, after applying pressure, found how to block SP2 (be it
> : > temporarily). This information is not easily located, I think a
> : > little more
> : > published information would not go amiss. As for comparing a
> : > computer with
> : > a toaster, a toaster is relatively cheap and is quickly replaced
> : > when
> : > defective whereas a computer is not so easily come by. I understand
> : > that
> : > there is a need for this SP2 upgrade, but when the preparatory v4 to
> : > v5
> : > gives three different results on three different computers and
> : > nobody can
> : > really explain why, along with known bugs with earlier MS software
> : > are you
> : > surprised that users are a bit hesitant with this new major change?
> : > Derek
> : >
> : > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:Ot91i3wgEHA.3476@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> : >> Derek;
> : >> The reality is perhaps it is time more people start to learn there
> : >> is
> : >> more to a computer than a toaster.
> : >> But even a toaster needs periodic maintenance.
> : >> And as for your statement in the other post "about to be invaded by
> : >> MS", extremely misleading since it is easy to turn it off.
> : >> Another reality is if updates do not get installed automatically in
> : >> this or similar way, they will not be installed on many computers.
> : >>
> : >> Do you know what happens then?
> : >> Do you know what you might see?
> : >> Peoples computers being taken over remotely directly or by a virus
> : >> sending out countless spam.
> : >> Countless spam causing direct and indirect costs increases for YOU
> : >> and
> : >> others.
> : >> Direct...your ISP has to add equipment to deal with extra spam.
> : >> Indirect...In business this spam is eating man-hours and other
> : >> resources, again resources paid for by YOU and others.
> : >>
> : >> Without updates, those and other worse things may happen because
> : >> many
> : >> need it done automatically.
> : >> Wait...those things are already happening.
> : >> This is a problem that has been growing.
> : >> There is no perfect solution.
> : >>
> : >> To identify a problem and offer no solution is really nothing at
> : >> all.
> : >> What is your solution?
> : >>
> : >> --
> : >> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> : >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> : >>
> : >>
> : >> "Derek" <Derek@noisp.invalid> wrote in message
> : >> news:OXvVa4vgEHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> : >> > Good for you az-willie, but there are many people out there who
> : >> > are
> : >> > not
> : >> > aware of these newsgroups or are not bothered to discover what is
> : >> > going on
> : >> > in the world. They use their computers to surf the web and write
> : >> > e-mails,
> : >> > they believe that by setting their options for automatic updates
> : >> > this will
> : >> > take care of everything. As for defragment and other procedures
> : >> > they look
> : >> > blankly at you and think you are conversing in a foreign
> : >> > language.
> : >> > Obviously from recent posts, they are now in for a rude
> : >> > awakening.
> : >> > Derek
> : >> >
> : >> >
> : >> > "az-willie" <sclause@npole.com> wrote in message
> : >> > news:v0OTc.2951$ni.1603@okepread01...
> : >> >> On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:35:21 +0200, Derek wrote:
> : >> >>
> : >> >> > Reading through posts on this and other newsgroups I am under
> : >> >> > the
> : >> >> > impression that the repair shops are going to make a fortune,
> : >> >> > plus these
> : >> >> > repairers will be so busy many users will be without their
> : >> >> > computers for
> : >> >> > long periods of time. There are many many people out there
> : >> >> > completely
> : >> >> > unaware that, without they're permission, their machines are
> : >> >> > about to be
> : >> >> > invaded by MS and possibly left incapacitated.
> : >> >> >
> : >> >> > Derek Nicholson
> : >> >>
> : >> >> ======
> : >> >> I installed with no problem at all.
> : >> >>
> : >> >> First I made a backup.
> : >> >>
> : >> >> Then I ran Registry Mechanic to make sure my registry was clean.
> : >> >>
> : >> >> Then I ran Diskeeper Pro and did a boot time defrag ( moves
> : >> >> files
> : >> >> Windows
> : >> >> won't ).
> : >> >>
> : >> >> Then I made another backup with everything defragged and cleaned
> : >> >> up
> : >> >>
> : >> >> THEN I installed the SP2 and I haven't discovered a single
> : >> >> problem
> : >> >> so far.
> : >> >>
> : >> >
> : >> >
> : >>
> : >>
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>
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