Re: User licensing

Thanks again Vera,

Setting up multiple XP machines would not be practical, but will have to
find out more on virtualization.

Appreciate all your help,
Mark


"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

What I meant was: you can run Virtual Server on a Windows 2003
server, and then inside the Virtual Server create a couple of
virtual XP clients. Then one user at a time can connect to each of
these virtual XP clients and run the software. How many virtual XP
workstations you can run on a single Virtual Server depends on the
hardware specs of the server.

Without virtualization, you could simply buy 10 workstations,
install XP and your application on them, and let users rdp into
these XP clients.
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Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
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=?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote on
13 dec 2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

Hi Vera,

Am unfamiliar with virtual XP clients. Have done a google
search and will read up on them.

Am I correct to think you could have multiple virtual XP
sessions running on a single Server 2003 machine that could be
used to run the app, with up to 10 users connecting at once? My
goal is to let this small group of concurrent users run the app,
but not the same individuals or same devices.

Apologies for my limited experience, and hope this question
makes sense. Mark

"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

Per User licenses are per *person*, not per user account. So
using a generic account for all users is not a solution either.

Citrix licensing is per concurrent session, but since Citrix
runs on top of MS Terminal Services, that won't help you
either.

Maybe you could setup a couple of (virtual?) XP clients where
users can run this application, and users connect with rdp to
those XPs? That would only cost you the licenses for the XP OS,
no TS CALs.

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Vera Noest
MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
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=?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
on 13 dec 2007:

Vera,

Yes, this is the only app that will need TS. I guess I
misunderstood roaming users. Couldn't you establish generic
user logins (USER1, USER2, etc.) that could be used by any
employee from any department?

If not, we'll have to forget TS and go with a web app for
this function that can be accessed thru our Intranet. Or
maybe there is someone more reasonable in their licensing
that you know of (e.g., that provides concurrent licensing
that would allow a small app lie this to be accessible to a
few staff at a time)?

Thanks again,
Mark


"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

As TP explained, that's not a valid licensing mode of TS.
It's either per specific user, or per specific device.
I understand that it would become very costly for your
specific requirements, but still, it's what the EULA
dictates.

Is this application the *only* application that you plan to
deploy through TS? If so, maybe TS is not the best way to
deploy it. But if the users connect to the TS also to run
other applications, they will need a TS CAL anyway.
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MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
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=?Utf-8?B?TWFya3Vz?= <Markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote on 12 dec 2007 in
microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

TP,

There are just under 3000 employees working in just under
1000 departments. However, this application is small, and
will require no more than 10 of those 3000 people to use
the application at any one time, and probably more like 5
on average.

Their use would involve less than 10 minutes a day,
resulting in maybe 50 to 100 minutes of actual time logged
in each day across all departments. The login can occur
at any department computer, and each department has an
average of 3 computers.

We could not licensse on a per machine basis, since that
would require thousands of licenses and give far more
capability than we need. I thought we could license 10
roaming users. This would allow an employee to log in to
add a record to a database and log out from any one of
their department computers.

Appreciate your help in explaining how this works.

Thanks again,
Mark

"TP" wrote:

Hi Mark,

TS licensing is *not* concurrent. It is either Per
Device or Per User (named employee). Licenses can be
reassigned away from one device/user to another but the
reassignment must be permanent *except* in the case of
when you use a temporary replacement device (in the case
of the primary device needing repair) or a temporary
employee (in the case of a temp worker filling in while
an employee is out).

The same is true for Windows CALs if you choose the
Per Device/Per User option for those. Other software
have different licensing requirements, for example,
Office is licensed Per Device.

You should count up the total number of devices and
employees that will be connecting and based on that
choose between Per Device or Per User or a mix of the
two. If you post more information regarding the number
of PCs, employees, employees that need to roam, etc., I
will give you more advice.

Thanks.

-TP

Markus wrote:
I am planning to install Server 2003 and need some
advice on licensing.

My client needs a maximum of 10 concurrent users using
an application. However, they have hundreds of
employees, any one of which could be one of the 10
concurrent users.

On the server side, I understand Server 2003 comes with
5 CALs, so I assume
I will need 5 additional CALs. But am not sure what
other licenses I need.

I read about roaming users, and would assume I need per
user licensing for 10 roaming users, since the 10 users
on any one day could log in from different departments
and so different devices.

Could someone clarify just what licensing I would need
for this configuration.

Thanks for any help you can give,
Mark

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