Re: Terminal Services Domain?

Joe,
Remote control (or shadowing) of the console session is only possible from another RDP session to same machine.

I'm not sure what you mean when mention redirecting the user or the desktop as they log in - If you want a user to autmatically open an RDP session upon a desktop login you can run the RDP client from the login script with an RDP file as a parameter that will automatically run the specific application upon successful authentication. If running a specific application, when the application is closed, the session is closed. If this is not what you're trying to achieve, please provide more details.

If your goal is to provide centralized application access to 25 users/machines without having to deploy the applications to each workstation, then installing a terminal server in application mode with the application you require and providing users an RDP file that launches the application is a very good solution.

You are correct that once they are connected, you can remote control their session and see what their seeing. the behavior of remote control can be configured using Group Policies or Terminal Server Configuration, the options provide for:
1. View only control
2. View only control after asking user permission.
3. Full control
4. Full control after asking user permission
5. No remote control.

As far as the flow, its pretty simple, the RDP client is an independant client application. Once launched, various configuration options can be selected interactively or via command line. Once connected and authenticated to the server, the configured desktop on the server is deployed and if selected in the client, an application is launched. The 'desktop' session on the server can be configured using most standard Microsoft desktop configuration tools: Group policies, login scripts, intellimirror, etc.

Hope that helps,

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Guy Yardeni
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"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:52E141B6-7988-40C3-90AC-AB83B86E6594@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hello guyyardeni,
Thanks for all the great information.

I am not really trying to accomplish anything at this time with TS. I am
trying to understand it for a possible future use.

I RDP'd into my TS and I opened the TSM and added a another server to TSM
and then right clicked and selected Remote Control. I got this error
**********************************************************
Can't remote control Session(ID 0) because remote control is disabled in
this session.(error 997 - Overlapped I/O operation is in progress.
**********************************************************

So let me paint a picture here for my sake of understanding please.
After you configure TS and add programs to TS.
Do you just create users and redirect them as they log on? Either to thier
desktop or workstation?

So in administration mode you can only have two TS/RDP logons without a TS
and TC License Server?

If you want to have say....25 clients RDP/TS'ing into this server it would
redirect them to there appropriate places and in TSM you would see their
connection?

And if I see their connection I can remote control thier connection seeing
just what they see?

The TS configuration tool does'nt confuse me at all. The actual use and
purpose and overall operation of TS is what confuses me. However this is and
has been greatly clarified by posting here and I am very grateful for that.

If I were to use this TS in any capacity, I would want it for an application
and desktop redirection tool. This is most likely what I am seeking.

Client A logs on and when a successful connection is completed I would want
a program to start and no other available items. Or same scenario but
redirect them to a logon to their PC Desktop and work on it.

After all this typing I think that I wanted to know how the "Flow" of TS
works from client all the way to the server and beyond. In that order



Thanks so very much I am going to print this when we are finished

Joe



"guyyardeni" wrote:

Joe,

TS Manager is a "server side" tool to allow you to view details about users
who are connected to terminal server and interact with those users. There
are several settings related to Remote Control which are configured using
the Terminal Server Configuration tool that determine what is required (or
if it possible) to establish a remote control session. Once a remote control
session is established, it allows you to view the same screen as a user who
is connected to the terminal server - usually for support or troubleshooting
purposes. TSM is traditionally used to manage terminal server users in
application mode. If you need assistance getting Remote Control to work,
please post your remote control configuration and what issue you are
encountering when trying to use it.

The Remote Desktops plug in for MMC is a "client side" tool which allows you
to consolidate frequently used RDP client configurations in one place so
that rather than having to launch and configure the client for each terminal
server connection, you can predefine the connections all in one console.

The 'Start in Folder' option refers to the starting folder for a program
that is executed automatically when you log in. This is identical to the
same field in a any shortcut you create.

If you think it would help, feel free to describe your goals in using TSM
and we can provide some feedback on the best way to accomplish those goals.

Guy

"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:4CDA8804-022F-4B0E-9557-059F433B0F0F@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Thanks guyyardeni,
> I think I am getting there,
>
> So for my brains sake only :)
>
> If I add Servers to the TS Manager (which I have done) I see by my
> perception, no way to use them? I see the option to send message which > I
> have
> done and I have tried to remote control them but that failed so I am
> confused
> as why they are there and what kind of control are we talking about.
>
> Note: In the administratrion of the server there is an option or
> application
> for the mmc console for Remote Desktops which seems to be very similar > as
> you
> can add many desktops and configure their attributes - screen
> res.,Redirect
> and other things. This seems more native to me.
>
> Ok so now I have a basic and good understanding (thanks to you guys=) I
> just
> need to find out a little more about the condition of the TSM when all > the
> servers that I want to be added are there. Wheeewww!
>
> P.S What does start in this folder mean? in the TS/RDP Client Options?
>
>
> Thanks a million
> Joe
>
> "guyyardeni" wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>> RDP (or Remote Desktop Protocol) is the protocol used by Terminal
>> Services.
>>
>> Terminal Services can be run in one of two modes - the first is remote
>> administration, which is enabled using the 'Remote' tab in the System
>> Control Panel on Windows XP/2003 systems and allows only two remote
>> connections. The second is application mode which allows more than 2
>> users
>> but requires a license server with appropriate CALs after an initial >> 120
>> day
>> evaluation period.
>>
>> Most basic Terminal Server features - software install, management >> tools,
>> device redirection, profile control, etc are identical for both mode >> of
>> operation for Terminal Services.
>>
>> Guy
>>
>> "Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:259ED092-5AB4-46C3-93D1-BE9321B50D53@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Hello TP,
>> >
>> > I am trying to see the difference between RDP and Terminal Server?
>> > Let me explain a little first please.
>> >
>> > I have been using RDP for years and in many enviroments and I guess >> > one
>> > that
>> > has never needed a terminal server. Which is why I am getting the
>> > corrolation
>> > messed up.
>> >
>> > RDP is what I have understood in past as the AKA for a terminal >> > server
>> > connection.
>> > and only 2 are allowed in Server 2003 Ent.
>> >
>> > Now I have one server configured for terminal server and I am using >> > the
>> > TS
>> > Manager but I also have another server that is not a TS server and >> > it
>> > has
>> > the same console available to it. This is why I am confused. Why add >> > a
>> > TS
>> > Server if you can already use the RDP and add the other servers and >> > add
>> > them
>> > to the TS Manager if a NON TS Server seems to be able to do the >> > same.
>> >
>> > Ok The only thing I can really think of at this time is, it would >> > only
>> > be
>> > effective with the clinets being redirected to that drive,app or >> > Server
>> > Correct?
>> >
>> > Please enlighten me thanks
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "TP" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You are welcome.
>> >>
>> >> Please click Yes next to Did this post answer the question?
>> >> on my earlier replies. This will help others using the group:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales/help/help_en-us.htm#RateAPost
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> -TP
>> >>
>> >> Joe wrote:
>> >> > Thanks again TP this was a great help!
>> >> >
>> >> > Joe
>> >>
>>
>>



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