Re: disk quotas

Hello Vera an others

Well, my problem of users not able of logging on was solved , just checking
the appropiate permissions on the TS home directory and redirected folder
locations.

I'll check the Hotfix which is referenced in the KB.

Thanks to Vera again!!


"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

How big is the \\tssserver\tsusers\%username%\ folder for these
users that can't logon?
And how much free space do you have on your system disk and the F:
disk on the TS?

Try this post-SP1 hotfix for the logon delay:

899409 - You may experience a 20-second delay when you try to
access a redirected folder by logging on to a Windows Server 2003
Service Pack 1-based computer or to a Windows XP Service Pack 2-
based computer
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=899409
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=?Utf-8?B?QWxmcmVkbw==?= <Alfredo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
on 06 jun 2006 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

Hello Vera, and thanks for your cooperation, you've been so
helpful

From what I've seen in the server, the locally cached profile
gets created in c:\docs and settings\%username%, but it doesn't
contain the "my documents" big content of each user, it contains
"only" the Favorites, cookies, local settings, recent documents,
USer Data, Start Menu,etc and ntuser.* files. As soon as the
user logs-off this local copy folder is erased.

The "my Documents" folder is redirected to (i.e.)
\\tsserver\tsusers , so, for every user now there's a
\\tssserver\tsusers\%username%\My Documents folder with all
their stuff and a \\tsserver\tsusers\%username%\desktop folder.
Both this folders are successfully redirected as I've stated in
the Folder Redirection Policy parameter to \\tsserver\tsusers.
This location \\tsserver\tsusers is the same one I've set up as
"TS User Home directory", besides that, not withstanding it's a
UNC, it actually resides in the F:\ local disk of the tsserver
machine, so the redirection is actually taken place to the same
machine, not to a network file server. This situation is the
intended one so everything is almost fine, the issue is that
users are getting about 1 minute delay when logging-on. I hope
is not a matter of the locally cached profile size because I've
checked that size already.

Any other suggestion you can have , please?

Thanks a lot!

Alfredo



"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

Yes, it's not a good idea to have the profile and the home
directory in the same folder.
When you logon to the server, a copy of the profile is created
on the system disk of the TS, in C:\Documents and Settings.
This locally cached copy of the profile will in your case also
contain all documents, mp3 files, videos, and whatever the
users store in the home directory. Means you will need a *huge*
system disk, and it will slow down the logon process.

If you separate the profile from the home folder, and keep the
profiles as small as possible (by redirecting My Documenst to
the home directory), you will need much less space on the
system drive and speed up logons.

By the way, Application Data and Desktop are by default stored
in the profile, so you don't have to redirect them separately,
if you want to to be stored in the same place as the profile.

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=?Utf-8?B?QWxmcmVkbw==?= <Alfredo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote on 03 jun 2006 in
microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

I'm reposting this 'cause it seems that there was an error in
the first try:

I'm very sorry Vera, I don't understand what you mean with:

So you've made their home directory part of their profile?

I've set in my TS Locked down GPO, under Computer
Config/Administrative Templates/Windows Components/Terminal
Services these two parameters:

Set Path for TS Roaming Profiles= \\tsserver\usersdir

TS User Home Directory= \\tsserver\usersdir (exactly the
same place)

Besides that, I've set the Folder Redirection in the GPO
under User Configuration/WindowsSettings/Folder Redirection
these parameters:

Application Data: Basic Redirection to \\tsserver\usersdir
Desktop: Basic Redirecton to \\tsserver\usersdir
My Documents: Basic Redirecton to \\tsserver\usersdir

So basically I've almost everything redirected to the same
location which indeed is a shared folder in the F:\ NTFS
partition on the same TS Machine.

Is this a bad implementation?

I've enabled the Diskquotas on the F:\ drive to 400MB per
user and then the problem with those 9 users appeared....


Thanks for the comprehension and I'm sorry if I'm mislead...
That's not recommended, because it will take up a lot of
space on the system disk of the TS and it will cause delays
during logon. You should create a separate TS profile and a
home directory for each user (both on a shared network
drive), and redirect their "My Documents" folder to their
home directory. That way, only their profile will have to be
loaded on to the TS when they logon, not the whole content
of their home directory (which could contain GBs of Word
documents, pdf files, etc.)

The users that can't logon probably have a home directory /
profile which size exceeds their disk quota limit, and thus
they are refused. That's the whole idea behind disk quotas,
but I would never apply it to user profiles. In fact, I
would never apply it at all, since it's an administrative
task that I can be without, and disk space is cheaper than
the costs of administrating the disk quotas.
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MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
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=?Utf-8?B?QWxmcmVkcA==?= <Alfredp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote on 02 jun 2006 in
microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

Hello Vera and thaks for the input, I'm having an strange
behaviour because after I 've enabled disk quotas there
are about 9-10 users which can't logon because of this:

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Userenv
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1500
Date: 6/2/2006
Time: 9:44:45 AM
User: INTERBOLSA\jrincon
Computer: TERMINALSRV
Description:
Windows cannot log you on because your profile cannot be
loaded. Check that you are connected to the network, or
that your network is functioning correctly. If this
problem persists, contact your network administrator.

DETAIL - There is not enough space on the disk.

.....However some other users can actually log-in, and
their Home Directory is successfully created in the
redirected folder within the NTFS quota-enabled volume.
Disk quota is the same for everybody.

I don't understand what could be happenning

Thanks



"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

Check if this helps:

816100 - How To Prevent Domain Group Policies from
Applying to Administrator Accounts and Selected Users in
Windows Server 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=816100

Have you considered giving the users a home directory on
a fileserver, in stead of on the TS?
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TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net
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=?Utf-8?B?QWxmcmVkbw==?=
<Alfredo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote on 02 jun 2006:

Hello there

I've enabled disk quotas in my TS Locked down GPO under
Computer Config/Administrative Templates/System/Disk
Quotas in order to limit the amout of information the
users will copy to their home directory. How can I
avoid this disk Quota restiction applies to the Domain
Admins user group?

Thanks


Alfredo

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