Re: Terminal server client and old dos programs
- From: "Jo Lambrecht" <jo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:43:42 +0100
I wanted to reply already for the session, printing issue i have not tested
yet.but i'l let you know.
As for the session,
It works perfect from the server console.
If i make a TS-session on the server itself as an administrator or as a user
i get the NTVDM-error.
Regrads,
Jo Lambrecht
"Patrick Rouse" <PatrickRouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:27C36398-6667-45D6-A1D4-AF474026490F@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 1. No full-screen for DOS applications in Terminal Server. The closest
> you
> can get is by simulating full-screen with a window that covers the entire
> screen. Check out FullScreenDOS.
>
> 2. What is your printing requirement, i.e. print to network printer or to
> locally attached printer? Since DOS doesn't see Windows Printers, you'll
> have to redirect LPT1 (or whatever port your app requires) to the correct
> network printer via "NET USE LPT1: \\Server\PrinterShareName", or via WSH
> equivalent.
>
> Printer Scripts here:
> http://www.sessioncomputing.com/printing.htm
>
> If you need to print to the locally attached printer you can either share
> it
> and map it via "NET USE LPT1: \\tsclient\PrinterShareName", or script it
> in
> alternative methods.
>
> Cláudio Rodrigues has posted some Scripts for working with DOS Printers:
> http://forums.terminal-services.net/index.php?board=12
>
> As for the app not functioning:
> 1. Does it work from the console as an administrator?
> 2. Does it run from a non-console session as an administrator?
> 3. If neither 1 or 2 work, then you need to investigate further. If 1
> works, but not two, then it's a session problem and may be expecting a
> certain environment that it doesn't detect. If one and two work, but
> non-admins can't run the app, then it's a permissions or rights issue.
>
> Launch filemon (from sysinternals.com), run your app and capture a log
> file,
> then look thru the log for errors that might explain the problem you're
> having.
>
> It is possible to run DOS apps on TS, but it often takes some
> troubleshooting & tweaking to figure out the correct configuration.
>
>
> --
> Patrick Rouse
> Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> http://www.sessioncomputing.com
>
>
> "Jo Lambrecht" wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've tested several things, but still didn't get any further.
>> Installed Relevos, that didn't make any difference. Installing the
>> pervasive on another server didn't have any effect also.
>> After installing TAME-DOS, same problem, only difference with tame-dos,
>> if
>> you press "ignore" 4 times at the error window (NTVDM-error), the app
>> starts
>> and seems to function properly. Nevertheless there are still 2 problems,
>> the
>> dos-app cannot go into "full screen" mode and printing seems also to be a
>> problem in this envirmont.
>> Running dos-apps in terminal services doesn't seem to be a peace of cake.
>> (the problem is that this specific setup, 2 servers and clientcomputers
>> were
>> specially setup/bought for this purpose, the app was not tested because
>> the
>> app has been tested in a million combinations and on any posible and
>> different platform, the app has never given a crimp, that was the only
>> thing
>> that functioned perfectly in all these different circomstances)
>>
>> My hopes have sunc to the bottom of the ocean,
>> If you have any taughts about this, don't hesitate to give any comment,
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jo Lambrecht
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Patrick Rouse" <PatrickRouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:BC4194A6-91FC-441F-B298-74E976AB4B26@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Also, you should treat the terminal server like a DOS client, not the
>> > pervasive server. Setup the pervasive service on another server and
>> > setup
>> > the terminal server as a client machine, just like you always did
>> > before
>> > terminal server.
>> >
>> > Other apps that can be used to manage the CPU & RAM used by
>> > applications
>> > are:
>> >
>> > WM Software Relevos
>> > Appsense Performance Manager
>> > Threadmaster (Free)
>> > RTOSoft TScale
>> > Aurema ArmTech
>> > triCerat Simplify Resources (purchased from TMurgent TMUlimit)
>> > WBI Software CPU Affinity
>> >
>> > These can all be found here:
>> > http://www.sessioncomputing.com/add-on.htm
>> >
>> > I tend to prefer applications that manage more than DOS applications,
>> > and
>> > when using one of these (I used to use RBase for DOS on Terminal
>> > Server) I
>> > used Relevos and it worked great.
>> >
>> > Application installation info:
>> > http://www.sessioncomputing.com/applications.htm
>> >
>> > --
>> > Patrick Rouse
>> > Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>> > http://www.sessioncomputing.com
>> >
>> >
>> > "Jeff Pitsch" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don't recommend running a dos app in TS. You will need some
>> >> software
>> >> like
>> >> TAME-DOS to control the dos app from taking all the processor. Try
>> >> this
>> >> article:
>> >>
>> >> Troubleshooting MS-DOS-Based Programs in Windows
>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;165214
>> >>
>> >> Jeff Pitsch
>> >> http://www.sbcgatekeeper.com
>> >> Your Terminal Services Security Website
>> >>
>> >> "Jo Lambrecht" <jo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:u4W65PV4FHA.2432@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > We have setup a small network, one SBS2003 premium server SP1 and
>> >> > one
>> >> > W2003 SP1 Terminal server as member server.
>> >> > Setup went fine, using both serves goes fine as well. Clients are
>> >> > using
>> >> > outlook, office and several other accounting programs in terminal
>> >> > server
>> >> > sessions.
>> >> > Until...
>> >> > The company has an old dos-based program and wants to use it. When
>> >> > a
>> >> > user
>> >> > sets up a terminal server session and tries to start the
>> >> > dos-application,
>> >> > he gets the following error "NTVDM encountered a hard error", then
>> >> > he
>> >> > has
>> >> > the choice "ignore" or "close", when you choose ignore nothing
>> >> > happens,
>> >> > when choosing close the dosbox closes.
>> >> >
>> >> > The dos-application is installed on the terminal server and the
>> >> > database
>> >> > needed (pervasive sql) is also installed on the terminal server.
>> >> > Starting the dos-application on the terminal server itself (testing
>> >> > purposes) works fine.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there a way to run a dos-apps in a terminal server session ? or
>> >> > is
>> >> > this
>> >> > problem related to something els ?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Jo Lambrecht
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
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