Re: Terminal server client and old dos programs

When running on the console, will it run in windowed mode, or only full screen?

Does this program reference any client side ini files?

--
Patrick Rouse
Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
http://www.sessioncomputing.com


"Jo Lambrecht" wrote:

> I wanted to reply already for the session, printing issue i have not tested
> yet.but i'l let you know.
>
> As for the session,
> It works perfect from the server console.
> If i make a TS-session on the server itself as an administrator or as a user
> i get the NTVDM-error.
>
>
> Regrads,
> Jo Lambrecht
>
>
> "Patrick Rouse" <PatrickRouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:27C36398-6667-45D6-A1D4-AF474026490F@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > 1. No full-screen for DOS applications in Terminal Server. The closest
> > you
> > can get is by simulating full-screen with a window that covers the entire
> > screen. Check out FullScreenDOS.
> >
> > 2. What is your printing requirement, i.e. print to network printer or to
> > locally attached printer? Since DOS doesn't see Windows Printers, you'll
> > have to redirect LPT1 (or whatever port your app requires) to the correct
> > network printer via "NET USE LPT1: \\Server\PrinterShareName", or via WSH
> > equivalent.
> >
> > Printer Scripts here:
> > http://www.sessioncomputing.com/printing.htm
> >
> > If you need to print to the locally attached printer you can either share
> > it
> > and map it via "NET USE LPT1: \\tsclient\PrinterShareName", or script it
> > in
> > alternative methods.
> >
> > Cláudio Rodrigues has posted some Scripts for working with DOS Printers:
> > http://forums.terminal-services.net/index.php?board=12
> >
> > As for the app not functioning:
> > 1. Does it work from the console as an administrator?
> > 2. Does it run from a non-console session as an administrator?
> > 3. If neither 1 or 2 work, then you need to investigate further. If 1
> > works, but not two, then it's a session problem and may be expecting a
> > certain environment that it doesn't detect. If one and two work, but
> > non-admins can't run the app, then it's a permissions or rights issue.
> >
> > Launch filemon (from sysinternals.com), run your app and capture a log
> > file,
> > then look thru the log for errors that might explain the problem you're
> > having.
> >
> > It is possible to run DOS apps on TS, but it often takes some
> > troubleshooting & tweaking to figure out the correct configuration.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Patrick Rouse
> > Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> > http://www.sessioncomputing.com
> >
> >
> > "Jo Lambrecht" wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I've tested several things, but still didn't get any further.
> >> Installed Relevos, that didn't make any difference. Installing the
> >> pervasive on another server didn't have any effect also.
> >> After installing TAME-DOS, same problem, only difference with tame-dos,
> >> if
> >> you press "ignore" 4 times at the error window (NTVDM-error), the app
> >> starts
> >> and seems to function properly. Nevertheless there are still 2 problems,
> >> the
> >> dos-app cannot go into "full screen" mode and printing seems also to be a
> >> problem in this envirmont.
> >> Running dos-apps in terminal services doesn't seem to be a peace of cake.
> >> (the problem is that this specific setup, 2 servers and clientcomputers
> >> were
> >> specially setup/bought for this purpose, the app was not tested because
> >> the
> >> app has been tested in a million combinations and on any posible and
> >> different platform, the app has never given a crimp, that was the only
> >> thing
> >> that functioned perfectly in all these different circomstances)
> >>
> >> My hopes have sunc to the bottom of the ocean,
> >> If you have any taughts about this, don't hesitate to give any comment,
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Jo Lambrecht
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Patrick Rouse" <PatrickRouse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:BC4194A6-91FC-441F-B298-74E976AB4B26@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Also, you should treat the terminal server like a DOS client, not the
> >> > pervasive server. Setup the pervasive service on another server and
> >> > setup
> >> > the terminal server as a client machine, just like you always did
> >> > before
> >> > terminal server.
> >> >
> >> > Other apps that can be used to manage the CPU & RAM used by
> >> > applications
> >> > are:
> >> >
> >> > WM Software Relevos
> >> > Appsense Performance Manager
> >> > Threadmaster (Free)
> >> > RTOSoft TScale
> >> > Aurema ArmTech
> >> > triCerat Simplify Resources (purchased from TMurgent TMUlimit)
> >> > WBI Software CPU Affinity
> >> >
> >> > These can all be found here:
> >> > http://www.sessioncomputing.com/add-on.htm
> >> >
> >> > I tend to prefer applications that manage more than DOS applications,
> >> > and
> >> > when using one of these (I used to use RBase for DOS on Terminal
> >> > Server) I
> >> > used Relevos and it worked great.
> >> >
> >> > Application installation info:
> >> > http://www.sessioncomputing.com/applications.htm
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Patrick Rouse
> >> > Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
> >> > http://www.sessioncomputing.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Jeff Pitsch" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I don't recommend running a dos app in TS. You will need some
> >> >> software
> >> >> like
> >> >> TAME-DOS to control the dos app from taking all the processor. Try
> >> >> this
> >> >> article:
> >> >>
> >> >> Troubleshooting MS-DOS-Based Programs in Windows
> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;165214
> >> >>
> >> >> Jeff Pitsch
> >> >> http://www.sbcgatekeeper.com
> >> >> Your Terminal Services Security Website
> >> >>
> >> >> "Jo Lambrecht" <jo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> news:u4W65PV4FHA.2432@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We have setup a small network, one SBS2003 premium server SP1 and
> >> >> > one
> >> >> > W2003 SP1 Terminal server as member server.
> >> >> > Setup went fine, using both serves goes fine as well. Clients are
> >> >> > using
> >> >> > outlook, office and several other accounting programs in terminal
> >> >> > server
> >> >> > sessions.
> >> >> > Until...
> >> >> > The company has an old dos-based program and wants to use it. When
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > user
> >> >> > sets up a terminal server session and tries to start the
> >> >> > dos-application,
> >> >> > he gets the following error "NTVDM encountered a hard error", then
> >> >> > he
> >> >> > has
> >> >> > the choice "ignore" or "close", when you choose ignore nothing
> >> >> > happens,
> >> >> > when choosing close the dosbox closes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The dos-application is installed on the terminal server and the
> >> >> > database
> >> >> > needed (pervasive sql) is also installed on the terminal server.
> >> >> > Starting the dos-application on the terminal server itself (testing
> >> >> > purposes) works fine.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Is there a way to run a dos-apps in a terminal server session ? or
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > problem related to something els ?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Jo Lambrecht
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
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