Re: Some POP3 mail undeliverable
- From: AlanR <AlanR@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 03:30:01 -0700
Thanks Joe & Cliff for your help. I'll have a go at setting up SMTP and see
how it goes.
--
Regards
AlanR
"Cliff Galiher" wrote:
That is something of a vague question, but the short answer is yes....and.
no.
Do you need any "special" services from the ISP? No. In fact, you usually
need more services from the ISP for pop3....you need them to provide the
pop3 mailboxes. What do you need for SMTP? In short, just make sure you
are not breaking any service agreements with your ISP...aka using a
residential account for business purposes.
1) A static IP *is* best. You can "get away" with a dynamic IP, but it is
less than ideal. Most ISPs will give you a static IP with a business
connection. They will also give one to a residential customer for a nominal
fee...but again, see above, if you are a business you really shouldn't be
trying to circumvent the rules.
2) An unfiltered connection. Some ISP's filter/block port 25 (the port SMTP
uses)....particularly on residential connections. Business connections are
rarely blocked of filtered however. Depending on the ISP, they'll even
unblock a residential connection if requested. Depends on the ISP. But,
for what its worth, it is worth buying a business connection. See why I
stress having a business connection yet? Really makes life easier.
3) DNS services to set up an MX record. This does *not* need to be provided
by your ISP, although many ISPs offer this service. Plenty of 3rd party
providers offer DNS services.
That's it as far as services go. a little time and a little elbow grease
and you can retire that pop3 connector for good.
-Cliff
"AlanR" <AlanR@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:9D9BB708-466B-4C77-A807-83C4BA128AB2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sorry but I'm a bit of a novice here, Does switching to SMTP depend on
what
the ISP can/will provide?
--
AlanR
"Joe" wrote:
AlanR wrote:
Hi,
I am having a problem where POP3 mail is not always delivered to the
client's mailbox but turns up in the mailbox designated for
undeliverable
pop3 mail. When this happens the header information is missing. Is
there
anyway to recover it because I need to see why it is undeliverable.
It seems very unlikely that header information is being lost, as this is
almost the ultimate sin in handling email. By far the most likely
suspects are mailing list and BCC mail, which do not have valid To:
headers, not because they are being removed but because they were never
there to start with. Pure POP3 cannot deal with these kinds of mail in a
domain-wide mailbox.
The mail system is set up with a global mailbox and mail is then
distributed
using Routing rules. The ISP has an email domain of the form
mydomain.ISP.co.uk. I have my own domain of the form mydomain.com and
is routed from my domain provider to my ISP and then to the global
mailbox.
I suspect that the problem may have something to do with the routing
rules
bur I seem to have every possible variation covered.
Any advise would be gratefully received, thanks
Email routing by SMTP does not depend on headers, but on the recipient
name used in the SMTP transaction. This is not part of the headers, and
may not survive being placed in a POP3 mailbox. It can only survive if
one of the SMTP servers which handles the email explicitly adds a header
called 'Envelope-To:' or something similar. Many POP3 downloaders can
make use of this kind of header, the SBS2003 one cannot.
If for some reason there is no To: or CC: header, such as with BCC or a
mailing list (which is just a big BCC mailing), the SBS2003 POP3
downloader does not know where to deliver the mail. Almost certainly,
this is the problem. The correct answer is to use SMTP for mail
collection. If there is some seriously immovable objection to doing
this, and there are few valid ones, there are broadly two options:
1. Use a third-party POP3 downloader, after checking that a) your ISP is
adding or checking for an Envelope-To: or similar header, and b) that
the downloader can make use of it for routing.
2. If the ISP allows it, do not use a domain-wide POP3 mailbox, switch
to individual mailboxes for each user with a few for 'sales' and so on.
The SMTP envelope information will be used at the POP3 server to drop
the mail into the right mailbox, with a domain-wide mailbox it all gets
thrown in together. When the boss tells you that he must have a
catch-all mailbox to avoid losing sales due to typos, tell him that the
SMTP system very quickly tells a sender when the recipient is
non-existent, and it is better to do this than to allow the sender to
continue to use an incorrect email address and maybe pass it on to
others as well.
But SMTP all the way to Exchange is better.
--
Joe
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