Re: SBS2008 install from my MS Action Pack

Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP] wrote:
As I suspected, MS has not been exactly forth coming on the question:

http://blogs.technet.com/nking/archive/2008/12/03/maps-sbs-premium-does-it-differ-from-retail.aspx

This (seems to) make it clear that one can use the products as I
hypothesized. The only question would seem to be what to do if one
needs more licenses than those supplied by the AP.

It's been a standing position that MAP Subscribers can purchase additional
licenses as needed for internal use up to the licensing limits of MAPs
products. This hasn't changed.

What one does have to keep in mind, that the MAP subscribers license is
limited to subscription and elgibility to subscribe. Should one not renew or
no longer be eligible to renew, the MAPs licenses are no longer valid and
those separately purchased CALs are orphaned until attached to another
server license (Retail, Volume,...)


I have bumped this question up the line as far as I can, but there
has not been an answer that addresses that specific issue. One may
be forthcoming, or it may not.

As pointed out in the above blog, one could download the trial and
get 240 days our of it, with no licensing requirements.


"Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Larry,

They way I read his question is that he definitely does *not* have
enough licenses and wants to purchase more. So the question is,
since he has SBS standard (NOT premium, another win2k8 standard
server, and SQL Server standard, can he purchase SBS Premium CALs
and be covered? An additionally purchased SBS Premium CAL would cover
access to SBS
and the additional Win2k8 server, but would it cover access to the
separately licensed SQL Server Std? My interpretation of the CAL
documentation is no, but thus the debate...

-Cliff


"Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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Hmmmm:

SBS Standard with X CALS allows X users to use the SBS Standard
Server. Server Standard with X CALS is immaterial because the SBS covers
it
in the same domain.

SQL Server with X CALS allows X users to use the SQL, irrespective
of what server it is installed on.

It seems to me that the only question is were enough licenses
granted by the Action Pack for the number of users needed by the
organization --
Larry
Please post the resolution to your
issue so that others may benefit.


"Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hmmm, I'm not sure that is true. Because he is running SBS
standard and adding a separately licensed SQL server, I don't
think you can 'shortcut' with the CALs because technically he
isn't running SBS premium, even if the end result is the same
software setup. MS can be picky about licensing in this regard.

Personally I wouldn't run the risk of being out of compliance by
trusting information in this newsgroup. This is worth a quick
call to Microsoft directly.

-Cliff


"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Gonzalo Parra wrote:
But what about licensing?

We want to use SBS2008 internally for our company but we have
more than 5 users so I need to buy more cals, is I install it
like that (SBS 2008 Standard + Win2008 + SQL Standard) then
should I buy PremiumCALs? or Standard CALs + SQL CALs?

any help appreciated...

If the added users will acccess SQL, then they will need premium
CALs. Otherwise standard CALs will be fine.



"Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" wrote:

Oh... right. I guessed that Dave was asking if his AP included
"Premium" so that he could install a second server with or
without SQL. As you point out, if the SQL in the AP is SQL
Standard, it doesn't matter. And, what the Premium part gives
you is a second Server license and a License for SQL, which is
included in the AP, so imo AP gives you either the same or more
than SBS 2008 Premium. You nailed it with the distinction between
SQL Standard (can be
installed on any appropriate server), and SQL Standard for Small
Business, which is the same thing with a different label and
EULA, restricting it to SBS servers or SBS (preferably) domain
member or SBS additional DC servers.

Next question will be if the SQL in the AP is *not* SQL
Standard for Small Business, could it be installed on / in both
the SBS network and on a stand alone server or member of a
different network, either Domain or Workgroup. That will depend
on the number of licenses/installs granted by the AP license.

-Larry

"Les Connor" <les.connor@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Right, but depending on the SQL that comes with AP (if it's
the SBS specific SQL), I believe it checks to see that it's
installing on a member server in the SBS 2008 network.

If the AP version of SQL isn't the SBS SQL, then it's a
non-issue I'd think.

--
Les Connor [SBS-MVP]


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"Larry Struckmeyer [SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message
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There is no management relationship between the SBS 2008
installation and other servers on your LAN. You can add as
many as you have licenses for, and add them to the domain and
the RWW landing page manually.

-Larry

"Les Connor" <les.connor@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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That I don't know; it might be a question for the MAPS folks.

However, I'd expect you should be able to install WS 2008
standard (either 32 or 64) on another box, and then SQL on
that. You need the second server OS for SQL to run on.



--
Les Connor [SBS-MVP]


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"Dave Thursby" <thursby_david@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Les, the Microsft Action pack here in the UK doesn't come
with the Premium version but it does come with SBS2008
Standard and includes an SQL DVD. We needed to know if you
install SBS2K8 standard, is it just a case of installing
SQL 2K8 on another box? gary


"Les Connor" <les.connor@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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You should be using SBS Premium, not SBS Standard.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794697.aspx


http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc816563.aspx


--
Les Connor [SBS-MVP]


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"Gary D" <gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I have installed SBS2008 Standard on my 1st hardware
platform. I am now ready to install SQL2008 on our 2nd
platform. Does anybody know which server 2008 standard I
need to use for the SQL2008 to sit on ?

--
/kj

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/kj


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