Re: SBS 2008 as host for terminal server on 2008?

SG,

I am not arguing about anything. I am just pointing that I don't understand
how **SBS** could be considered unsupported if it is NOT being virtualized,
but is merely running a virtualized TS on it.

Let's say I have MS Virtual Server running on a normally-installed
non-virtualized with SBS as the host. MS says it is unsupported. Now, I turn
off the Virtual Server so that my virtualized TS is off. Is SBS now
supported, because it is no longer acting as the host for the other system?
At that point, ten seconds after killing VS, the SBS is now nothing more
than it was when it was installed directly on hardware as in the past. The
virtualized TS is basically just an application running on SBS. Why would
that be any different than if I ran an LOB on the SBS?

In other words, how can the mere addition of Virtual Server running on an
SBS 2008 **non-virtualized** host cause the host to be unsupported?

Gregg Hill



"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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with TS running in a VM under SBS neither the SBS nor the TS would be in a
'supported config'.

I'm sorry to 'harp on' about this but I prefer all my essential servers to
be in a 'supported configuration'.

Something I didn't put into my other reply is that when you really get
down to 'nuts and bolts' and available supported scenarios we need to
consider the 'supported virtualisation scenarios'. Though MS do not yet
proclaim support for 'SBS under any virtual environment' there is
fundamentally very little difference between the MS hypervisor and any
other similar product, the DOJ may force MS to adopt such 'across the
board' compliance.

But when you come down to brass tacks it doesn't really matter so much
about such compliance, MS recognise the wish for us to do so and have
provided a FREE mechanism for it, Windows Hyper-V Server. As WHVS is no
more than a limited windows installation capable of supporting
virtualisation and SBS is 'supported', as a guest, in such environment
there really is no need to complain, no need for the DOJ to be upset.

If you have SBS08 Standard and wish to improve your hardware utilisation
you can download a free program that puts a virtualised SBS in a fully
supported environment.
If you have SBS08 Premium you can use the 2nd server license as both
parent partition for Hyper-V (subject to '1+1' right limitations) and run
both SBS and a full implementation of the 2nd server.

I don't see why you guys are feeling the need to argue about it :-)

"Gregg Hill" <greggmhill at please do not spam me at yahoo dot com> wrote
in message news:%234h0$FDVJHA.4280@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hello!

Well, with SBS as the host, it would really mean that the TS running in
VM on the SBS would not be supported. SBS itself should still be in a
supported config, because it would be running on hardware directly. That
is fine with me...after all, it's just a TS for my own two-person
company.

I will look into the other options.

Thank you to all who responded!

Gregg Hill





"Cris Hanna [SBS MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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No suggesting that it can't or won't, only want to make sure that anyone
who might stumble accross this thread doesn't pursue this option without
understanding that they would leave themselves in an unsupported config.

--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashed
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"Edwin Garst" <egarst@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Chris,
I understand that it's not supported. And SBS2003 running as a VM on
WHS is not supported either. It ran without incident for over a year
while I was testing 2008. And WHS was backing up SBS2003 every day!

Edwin Garst

"Cris Hanna [SBS MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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The one important thing to keep in mind is that SBS2008 as the host is
NOT a supported configuration, whether using Virtual Server, HyperV or
VMWare

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Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashed
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/0672329573/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217269967&sr=8-1
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MVPs do not work for Microsoft
Please do not submit questions directly to me.

"Edwin Garst" <egarst@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Gregg,
I have the same setup as you for a home office. I am running SBS2008
with 8GB of memory. VS2005 R2 Sp1 runs fine on top of SBS. KB948515
is installed. Refer to
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=A79BCF9B-59F7-480B-A4B8-FB56F42E3348&displaylang=en .
There are some error messages posted at startup regarding access to
AD by the Network Service account. SBS performs very well. The most
memory I have seen used so far is about 5.5GB.

I have a second server loaded with Windows Home Server. This
machines performs backups on the client machines. It is also the
file server and the print server. It has 4GB and also runs VS2005.
The WHS was previously running my SBS2003 production VM before I
migrated to RTM SBS2008. I did the migrate manually by saving the
mailboxes to .pst and performing a clean install of SBS.

Instead of running a Terminal Server I just run a copy of XP Sp3 and
Vista Business. I have allocaed 512MB to XP and 1.5GB to Vista.
Performance of both is very good. The advantage of this setup is
that you can run Office from the Action Pack on the virtual machines.
To avoid backup issues I have created a separate partition to store
the VMs. This partition is not included in the normal SBS backups. I
handle the VM backup manually by shutting down the VM and doing a
manual copy to removable storage.

There is enough processor and memory capacity left to run a Windows
2003 server or Windows 2008 server. Just remember that you can only
run 32 bit software from VS2005. So the server memory in each VM is
limited to 4GB.

My host machine is home made. It has an AMD 4600+ X2 processor which
has an internal ID of Opteron 8220. The motherboard is an ASUS
M2NPV-VM. Memory is Kingston Valueram 4GB running at 667 MHz. The
disk raid controller is a RocketRAID 2300 PCIx card. I have two WD
250GB SATA drives in the array.

By the way, this setup is perfectly capable of running HyperV. But
there is a shutdown issue that prevents a reboot of the host machine.
So I opted to go the VS2005 route for now. If I had a machine with
more memory then the HyperV setup would work better because of the
64bit guests.

Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Edwin Garst
Epcon Systems
847 394-4397

"Gregg Hill" <greggmhill at please do not spam me at yahoo dot com>
wrote in message news:%23SaAljyUJHA.4452@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hello!

I know that Virtual Server has a x64 version and the MS
documentation states it will run on SBS 2003, but I have not found
anything saying if it will run on any version of a 2008 server.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/virtualserver/evaluation/sysreqs.mspx
No mention of 2008.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;840319 Also
no mention of 2008.

My goal for my home office is to have my Action Pack SBS 2008 (early
next year when I get a new server) run a terminal server 2008 for
remote access to applications. My wife and I would be the only ones
accessing it, and IE would be disabled, so no surfing ever from the
TS.

Do any of you with SBS 2008 experience know if I can run a virtual
TS with SBS 2008 as the host OS?

Thank you for your time!

Gregg Hill













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