Re: Move ClientApps and Users to another SERVER
- From: "Cary Shultz" <cshultz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:11:31 -0400
Jim,
For the client - probably not (to answser your last question first).
They...well, I do not manage them anymore...that now falls in the hands of
someone else at my company. The client sees things differently, I guess. I
will put it that way. Well, I am sure that you can imagine how I might put
it were this not a public forum!
Anyway, I doubt that they will be interested in a new server. This one is
going to have to croak before they do anything (well, that is my opinion...I
sure hope that I am seeing this incorrectly). And, new HDDs are apparently
not open for discussion. So, we will see.
They have two other servers: a Terminal Server and an Application Server.
They are confused as to why HDD space is all of a sudden an issue (do not
get me started on that!!!!!...."all of a sudden"). they seem to think that
with the servers there should not be any hard drive space issues. I can
speak English and German and some Spanish....apparently, however, I can not
speak "insert name of client here". That is probably a leading reason as to
why I do not manage them anymore. ;-)
I have my own ideas on how to handle this situation. But, I am trying to
behave.
Anyway, sorry....just venting. I spent a lot of blood, sweat and tears on
this client. No worries.
Anyway, one of the things that was suggested to me was to move a lot of
stuff off of the SBS2003 box onto the Terminal Server. I was just curious
if doing so "the SBS2003 way" is possible. Everything I see talks about
moving to different volumes on that SBS2003 box....but nothing about a
different box. I can figure out how to move the content of the Users
folder....just create a new folder (call it HOME or whatever) on the
Terminal Server (not a fan of this idea...for the record) and copy the data
over from BoxA to BoxB with xcopy or whatnot. No worries there (except with
the creation of new users....but that would just be one more step in the
process...).
Thanks,
Cary
"Jim Behning SBS MVP" <jimbehning@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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I had an inherited Dell server with a 12 gig scsi raid 5 array. One of
the drives dropped out. I installed a new drive and proceeded to do
the wrong click. That destroyed the array. That is why I post make
sure you are talking to your array support so you do the correct
click. Well when I fixed that mess I did a scratch install but did a
30 gig C. They happened to have plenty of spare space. All was well
but I wasted about 14 hours on my time because of my goof up. But now
the server is not bumping against space issues so things are better.
;-)
Have you turned on compression on their archive folders on the D
partition?
Your old account of course is due for a new server with four 500 gig
hard drives with hardware raid 1 controller. But they will manage to
fill that up. Lucky you that you are not their IT guy now. If they are
going to do new hard drives get 250 or 500 gig drives. I think 500 is
sort of the standard now. Of course you have to get some huge
terabytes usb drives to back all that stuff up.
I have one account that started taking pictures of their projects.
They had about 10 gigs of data, maybe 20 gigs 5 years ago. Now they
have 168 gigs. Getting them to properly archive is a problem and they
know it is a problem. Of course they keep busy so they are making
money. They do not scream when I walk in to help. They are getting
close to last legs on their server. Once SBS 2008 is released I will
consider offering them a new bigger, faster, under warranty new
server. Of course I have to have a compelling business reason which
continuity of service is the biggest reason.
So new hard drives are $300 and 4 hours of labor to keep them working
for another few months?
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 05:35:51 -0400, "Cary Shultz"
<cshultz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jim,See what SBS support is working on
This is for a client (for whom I no longer do work....but my colleagues
do)
who has been fighting this issue since before we took over (13 months
ago).
Dell PowerEdge 800 with the 160GB SATA HDDs. SBS2003 Premium. 12GB C:\
partition (under 600MB free) and 124GB D:\ (something like 24GB free).
Yes, everything has been moved to D:\ that can (and all the special
folders...I personally made sure that the registry entries were
correct...previous consultant did not do that...so you can imagine that
there was a problem when new users were created....via the Wizard).
There is nothing more that can be moved from C:\ to D:\. Disk is about as
clean as it is going to get! Not necessary - not there!
BTW - both HDDs have failed (within 45 days of each other!). Server is no
longer under warranty (client declined the two-year extension...or the
one-year extension).
Trying to do this:
Get client to purchase larger HDDs. We use imaging software (Acronis).
Take an off-line image. Turn off machine. Put the new HDDs in there.
Restore from image (but resize the partitions....making C:\ something like
60GB and the rest D:\).
If they decline purchasing the larger HDDs (pretty sure that they
will....)
then the second plan is to take as much off D:\ as possible. Then take
that
off-line image and then resize the partitons....essentially, taking from
D:\
to give to C:\ so that C:\ can be something like 20GB.
The whole issue here is C:\. But, if we are going to take from D:\ to
give
to C:\ then we need to have the space on D:\ to give in the first place!
Does that make more sense?
Thanks,
Cary
"Jim Behning SBS MVP" <jimbehning@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
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Have done a good cleanup of the server? Deleted old catalogs, dleted
tempo files, deleted old system32 log files, emptied old OS updates
out of clientapps, delted music form user folders?
What are your partiton sizes and what space is free?
Have you installed new hard drives in server to move files to? Pretty
cheap to add some sata drives and a sata raid controller.
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:58:22 -0400, "Cary Shultz"
<cshultz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Good morning!See what SBS support is working on
Quick question: SBS2003 Premium, running low on both C:\ and D:\. Big
problems with C:\. There is nothing more to move from C:\ to D:\. Have
moved all the 'special' folders (as far as SBS2003 is concerned) from
C:\
to
D:\ the correct way.
Now, is it possible to move the ClientApps and Users shared folder to
another server? This would give us the room on D:\ to then repartition
and
present a situation for us to 'take from D:\ to give to C:\.
Mind you, this is not my idea.......
Thanks,
Cary
PS. Assuming that it is possible - are there any issues with doing so.
I
have always always always operated under the *educated guess* that these
'special' folders do indeed need to reside on the SBS2003 box (do things
with the wizards and the registry...).
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