Re: NTBackup requires 18-23 hours to complete.
- From: "Les Connor [SBS MVP]" <les.connor@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:19:29 -0600
Nobody seems to know why it takes *your* system so long to back up. It works for others, me included.
Nobody knows if it's because of some odd combination of *your* configuration settings (software), or if it's *your* harware.
Frankly, the suggestion to try a $100 USB drive doesn't seem to be unreasonable. It might help move towards a resolution buy ruling something in or out, and in any case there'd surely be another use for the drive. If not perhaps you can borrow one. I have 1/2 dozen or so USB drives that aren't dedicated to any one task but are frequently found useful.
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"Sean" <Sean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:8CF0B278-A950-43DA-A84B-911A558D2C8F@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Les,
That's been the whole point. Everyone is telling to spend money to buy USB
drives that nothing else is OK because they are the asnwer, well I'm not
going to spend the money to buy huge usb drives. I am using removable hard
drives in my servers.... I have said throughout this thread at every point
that I am using SBS and I know it works, but that something is wrong in the
amount of time it is taking. I have NEVER said I wanted to use something
else, I never implied that the SBS backup didn't work, only that the wizard
wouldn't let me exclude folders.
I'm using SBS to back itself up and other than excluding my Quarantine
folders, I've done nothing else to it. I am backing up 100-110GB of data and
it takes about 23 hours. Which I believe it excessive.
If it's hardware then tell me where to look as there is nothing in the logs
for a disk or controller error and the disk system works in every case EXCEPT
for this backup. I have copied huge amounts of data back and forth with
verify and it is fast and efficient. So how can it be the problem?
You may want to re-read my contributions to this thread, as I think you are
confusing me with someone else.
I still have a problem and I'm still trying to diagnose it. I am not closed
to suggestions, except for putting USB drives on my servers for daily
backups, unless there is a reason why internal drives don't work on SBS
servers.
--
Sean
"Les Connor [SBS MVP]" wrote:
Suit yourself.
My largest site uses SBS Backup, backs up 70 Gb daily to USB, and it takes
5.5 hours including the verify. I have some exclusions set, like WSUS and a
few others.
The scenario is replicated over many other SBS sites, all using SBS backup,
some tape, some USB.
You don't seem to want to accept everyone else's input that SBSbackup does
work, and should work for you, except that you have decided that you know
better, edit your backup file, and won't open your mind to the possibility
of a hardware problem or misconfiguration on your part.
SBSbackup works.
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"Sean" <Sean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:A16735E9-A9A2-4375-89B9-F7B66A165D65@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Les,
> I use the SBS wizard and then I manually edit the .BKS file to remove
> folders that don't/shouldn't be backed up (Ie Quarantine, etc), but let
> SBS
> have it's say.
>
> The problem which seems to be escaping these discussions is not that it
> works/doesn't work.... It works. It takes almost 23 hours for it to > woork
> though and I am looking to shorten that time significantly. If it is
> something beyond NTBackup/SBS's capabilities then let that be said,
> otherwise
> I'm trying to diagnose what is causing the excessive time.
>
> DPM is keeping a continuos "snapshot" of my business critical files. My
> users can actually recall files from DPM themselves. It requires AD to > be
> functioning for it to work and so I would have to restore my SBS box
> before I
> can recover DPM files. NTBackup due to the wizards insistance on > including
> everything also backs up weekly the data that DPM is protecting. I use
> removable hard drives on the DPM server and store them at our CEO's > home
> weekly, since my DPM retention rate is monthly I can recall most > anything
> we
> might have lost or altered.
>
> My issue is simply throughput, but I believe it has more to do with
> NTBackup
> than my hardware as everything else works well.
> -- > Sean
>
>
> "Les Connor [SBS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Note that while SBSBackup does use NTbackup, they are not entirely the
>> same
>> thing. I'm not sure if you use SBSbackup, or only the native NTbackup >> to
>> configure your backups. I also don't know what part DPM might play in >> all
>> of
>> this, if any.
>>
>> Considering you want something different than SBSBackup offers, I'd
>> suggest
>> you run the backup configuration wizard and elect *not* to use SBS
>> backup,
>> and do your configuration via NTbackup, or a third party backup
>> application.
>>
>> -- >> Les Connor [SBS MVP]
>> ________________________
>> Get the SBS BPA here:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940439/en-us
>>
>>
>> "Sean" <Sean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:B3143E79-3B3C-4E96-8558-5866D54321E3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Les,
>> > I understand that NTBackup wants to do everything all at once, but I
>> > belive
>> > that is where it is hurting itself. I eliminated the 2 volumes that
>> > were
>> > taking approx 6 hours and 8+ hours from my backup job and ran it >> > last
>> > night.
>> > I had to cancel it this morning since it wasn't finished with the
>> > remaining
>> > volumes which should have taken 4-5 hours and it wasn't 50% through
>> > that.
>> >
>> > Somewhere NTBackup is either a lower priority or is not working
>> > correctly.
>> > IT is not my drives as I have run robocopy batches on them
>> > copying/verify
>> > 50GB and it didn't take < 1 hour to complete. Seems only NTBackup >> > is
>> > having
>> > trouble with throughput.
>> >
>> > -- >> > Sean
>> >
>> >
>> > "Les Connor [SBS MVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> SBS backup does two backups of Exchange. One is a file based >> >> backup,
>> >> including logfiles, the other is the 'Exchange Aware' backup, which
>> >> commits
>> >> the logfiles. I don't remember the exact details, but in order for
>> >> both
>> >> exchange and system state to be backed up in the one job, an SBS >> >> box
>> >> has
>> >> some custom settings.
>> >>
>> >> When operating outside of SBS backup, or if using other backup >> >> methods
>> >> in
>> >> addition to SBS backup, one may need to make sure they don't step >> >> on
>> >> each
>> >> other.
>> >>
>> >> I'd be inclined to either use SBS backup as-is; and leave the other
>> >> methods
>> >> out of the equation; but if that doesn't suit you - run the wizard >> >> and
>> >> select 'do not use sbs backup' and do things your own way using
>> >> whatever
>> >> methods do suit you.
>> >>
>> >> SBSbackup is designed to equal the lowest common denominator in a
>> >> backup
>> >> strategy that will restore the server.
>> >>
>> >> -- >> >> Les Connor [SBS MVP]
>> >> ________________________
>> >> Get the SBS BPA here:
>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940439/en-us
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Sean" <Sean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:C6424499-229A-4475-B34E-0CC6C3072107@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Sorry didn't see your post in this thread.
>> >> >
>> >> > I run the backup wizard and then customized the BKS file and
>> >> > excluded
>> >> > the
>> >> > drives/folders that I don't want backed up. It works it just >> >> > takes
>> >> > an
>> >> > exceptionally long time to backup the exchange logs volume. I >> >> > could
>> >> > exclude
>> >> > it manually but then I wouldn't have the Exchange transaction >> >> > logs
>> >> > backed
>> >> > up,
>> >> > I'd have the Exchange Store though.
>> >> >
>> >> > I've run NTBackup without the wizard on a few directories to see >> >> > if
>> >> > I
>> >> > can
>> >> > benchmark it's performance, but it's all over the place during
>> >> > business
>> >> > hours. I've setup a scheduled backup tonight without the Logs and
>> >> > will
>> >> > see
>> >> > how long it takes.
>> >> > -- >> >> > Sean
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Drasko" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Sean" <Sean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:6C2AAF37-A658-4013-BA4E-78BC0A3EE0E0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> > I'm looking for a solution to resolve the long time it takes >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > NTBackup
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > complete on my SBS server. It seems everyone thinks I'm doing >> >> >> > it
>> >> >> > wrong
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > backup/disaster plans are wrong and my choice of hardware is >> >> >> > all
>> >> >> > wrong.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I'm looking for a solution to a specific problem, the time it
>> >> >> > takes
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > complete a single backup. I'm not going to go out and throw >> >> >> > USB
>> >> >> > drives
>> >> >> > into
>> >> >> > the mix since my plan uses other technologies, and I'm not >> >> >> > going
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > go
>> >> >> > into
>> >> >> > them here since the plan is not the issue, it is the time it
>> >> >> > takes
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > NTBackup to complete.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I welcome everyone's input, but I'm asking everyone to stay
>> >> >> > focused
>> >> >> > on
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > problem and not continue to bash details that are not in
>> >> >> > question.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks and I hope I don't get flamed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'll repeat my question:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sean!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Have you tried to make your own bks file with folders that you >> >> >> want
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> back
>> >> >> up? Create a simple batch file with ntbackup command line with
>> >> >> options,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> make a schedule task to run daily?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dra
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
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