Re: NTBackup requires 18-23 hours to complete.

Les,
That's been the whole point. Everyone is telling to spend money to buy USB
drives that nothing else is OK because they are the asnwer, well I'm not
going to spend the money to buy huge usb drives. I am using removable hard
drives in my servers.... I have said throughout this thread at every point
that I am using SBS and I know it works, but that something is wrong in the
amount of time it is taking. I have NEVER said I wanted to use something
else, I never implied that the SBS backup didn't work, only that the wizard
wouldn't let me exclude folders.

I'm using SBS to back itself up and other than excluding my Quarantine
folders, I've done nothing else to it. I am backing up 100-110GB of data and
it takes about 23 hours. Which I believe it excessive.

If it's hardware then tell me where to look as there is nothing in the logs
for a disk or controller error and the disk system works in every case EXCEPT
for this backup. I have copied huge amounts of data back and forth with
verify and it is fast and efficient. So how can it be the problem?

You may want to re-read my contributions to this thread, as I think you are
confusing me with someone else.

I still have a problem and I'm still trying to diagnose it. I am not closed
to suggestions, except for putting USB drives on my servers for daily
backups, unless there is a reason why internal drives don't work on SBS
servers.
--
Sean


"Les Connor [SBS MVP]" wrote:

Suit yourself.

My largest site uses SBS Backup, backs up 70 Gb daily to USB, and it takes
5.5 hours including the verify. I have some exclusions set, like WSUS and a
few others.

The scenario is replicated over many other SBS sites, all using SBS backup,
some tape, some USB.

You don't seem to want to accept everyone else's input that SBSbackup does
work, and should work for you, except that you have decided that you know
better, edit your backup file, and won't open your mind to the possibility
of a hardware problem or misconfiguration on your part.

SBSbackup works.

--
Les Connor [SBS MVP]
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"Sean" <Sean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Les,
I use the SBS wizard and then I manually edit the .BKS file to remove
folders that don't/shouldn't be backed up (Ie Quarantine, etc), but let
SBS
have it's say.

The problem which seems to be escaping these discussions is not that it
works/doesn't work.... It works. It takes almost 23 hours for it to woork
though and I am looking to shorten that time significantly. If it is
something beyond NTBackup/SBS's capabilities then let that be said,
otherwise
I'm trying to diagnose what is causing the excessive time.

DPM is keeping a continuos "snapshot" of my business critical files. My
users can actually recall files from DPM themselves. It requires AD to be
functioning for it to work and so I would have to restore my SBS box
before I
can recover DPM files. NTBackup due to the wizards insistance on including
everything also backs up weekly the data that DPM is protecting. I use
removable hard drives on the DPM server and store them at our CEO's home
weekly, since my DPM retention rate is monthly I can recall most anything
we
might have lost or altered.

My issue is simply throughput, but I believe it has more to do with
NTBackup
than my hardware as everything else works well.
--
Sean


"Les Connor [SBS MVP]" wrote:

Note that while SBSBackup does use NTbackup, they are not entirely the
same
thing. I'm not sure if you use SBSbackup, or only the native NTbackup to
configure your backups. I also don't know what part DPM might play in all
of
this, if any.

Considering you want something different than SBSBackup offers, I'd
suggest
you run the backup configuration wizard and elect *not* to use SBS
backup,
and do your configuration via NTbackup, or a third party backup
application.

--
Les Connor [SBS MVP]
________________________
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http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940439/en-us


"Sean" <Sean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Les,
I understand that NTBackup wants to do everything all at once, but I
belive
that is where it is hurting itself. I eliminated the 2 volumes that
were
taking approx 6 hours and 8+ hours from my backup job and ran it last
night.
I had to cancel it this morning since it wasn't finished with the
remaining
volumes which should have taken 4-5 hours and it wasn't 50% through
that.

Somewhere NTBackup is either a lower priority or is not working
correctly.
IT is not my drives as I have run robocopy batches on them
copying/verify
50GB and it didn't take < 1 hour to complete. Seems only NTBackup is
having
trouble with throughput.

--
Sean


"Les Connor [SBS MVP]" wrote:

SBS backup does two backups of Exchange. One is a file based backup,
including logfiles, the other is the 'Exchange Aware' backup, which
commits
the logfiles. I don't remember the exact details, but in order for
both
exchange and system state to be backed up in the one job, an SBS box
has
some custom settings.

When operating outside of SBS backup, or if using other backup methods
in
addition to SBS backup, one may need to make sure they don't step on
each
other.

I'd be inclined to either use SBS backup as-is; and leave the other
methods
out of the equation; but if that doesn't suit you - run the wizard and
select 'do not use sbs backup' and do things your own way using
whatever
methods do suit you.

SBSbackup is designed to equal the lowest common denominator in a
backup
strategy that will restore the server.

--
Les Connor [SBS MVP]
________________________
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http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940439/en-us


"Sean" <Sean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Sorry didn't see your post in this thread.

I run the backup wizard and then customized the BKS file and
excluded
the
drives/folders that I don't want backed up. It works it just takes
an
exceptionally long time to backup the exchange logs volume. I could
exclude
it manually but then I wouldn't have the Exchange transaction logs
backed
up,
I'd have the Exchange Store though.

I've run NTBackup without the wizard on a few directories to see if
I
can
benchmark it's performance, but it's all over the place during
business
hours. I've setup a scheduled backup tonight without the Logs and
will
see
how long it takes.
--
Sean


"Drasko" wrote:

"Sean" <Sean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I'm looking for a solution to resolve the long time it takes for
NTBackup
to
complete on my SBS server. It seems everyone thinks I'm doing it
wrong
and
my
backup/disaster plans are wrong and my choice of hardware is all
wrong.

I'm looking for a solution to a specific problem, the time it
takes
to
complete a single backup. I'm not going to go out and throw USB
drives
into
the mix since my plan uses other technologies, and I'm not going
to
go
into
them here since the plan is not the issue, it is the time it
takes
for
NTBackup to complete.

I welcome everyone's input, but I'm asking everyone to stay
focused
on
my
problem and not continue to bash details that are not in
question.

Thanks and I hope I don't get flamed.

I'll repeat my question:

Sean!

Have you tried to make your own bks file with folders that you want
to
back
up? Create a simple batch file with ntbackup command line with
options,
and
make a schedule task to run daily?

Dra






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