Re: Setting up a 2nd DNS server on SBS network

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Lanwench you do know that its a BLESSING to give than to receive and is it
even more beneficial to teach/advise other than to receive. I was simply
asking how to set up a second DNS server on a SBS network and you have asked
for more information which I have provided. You responded with no sympathy
which I did not ask for. If don't want to help because you think I did not
give a reason that aligns yours than please ignore my inquiry. You came
off like an "ass" in your response to me and I am sorry if I read you wrong
but thanks again for the GC and AD tibbits.

Someday I will give back to the help I have here but right now I am trying
to learn and to make my job better. Its almost seems like you're making is
so hard for me to ask for help.


"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
<lanwench@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Helen Mooc <hmooc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
With all this said so the final verdict is that a second DNS server
is not possible in a SBS environment.

No, that isn't what I've said at all. It's entirely possible. You just
need to know what you're doing - make the box a DC, DNS, WINS, and GC box
if you expect any redundancy. The other caveats still apply.

May Lanwrenh should just be a bit straight forward with this
information rather than go on and on with GC and etc. I am just
trying to save myself some complains down the road.

You're mistaken - please re-read what I wrote, as well as the information
in other replies.

Additionally, please remember that these newsgroups are "staffed" by
volunteers who are volunteering their own free time in trying to help
others - it is wise to show a little gratitude even if you don't like the
advice, if you'd like to continue getting *free* tech support.

"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message news:O4euO5mdIHA.2404@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sorry to jump in a bit late on this one, but in reality, simply
having a second DNS server is not going to provide Internet Access if
you are rebooting the SBS server.

It should also be acting as the gateway and provides DHCP info.

I have to agree with Lanwench here...second DNS server doesn't
really get you want you want/need.

besides my work with my SBS server clients, I have a full time
enterprise job and like it or not, there is going to be an outage for
a brief period of time to reboot for Windows Patches every month. I
do mine at 9pm so our West Coast workers (with rare exception) should
be off the system. But its scheduled and they know its coming and
it only lasts 20 minutes.

--
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
-----------------------------------------------------------
MVPs Do Not Work for Microsoft
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
"Helen Mooc" <hmooc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I don't do a SBS reboot in the middle of the day because I really
want to do
that. I have to reboot of the server because of Windows &
ScanMail updates
requirement and people are still working late because they need
Internet
access to watch webcasts for focus group etc and that's why I
need to set up
a secondary DNS server. They might not need email access at the
time but
anytime there is no internet access its like the roof had
collapsed. I
don't want to wait until they are done with their work until 9 pm
and reboot
the SBS server. I don't want to reboot the server either while
at home for
problems that might arise sometime.

Thank you for pointing out about PDC/BDC in AD as peers. I never
knew about
this chemistry.

You thru me off when you mention making "If you set up your
secondary DC
properly, with
> DNS, and make it a global catalog server, you can then add this
server's
> IP address to your clients' IP config as a secondary DNS server
(via DHCP,
> one hopes)."

I thought the primary DC is supposed to be the Master of all.
Why would I
have to make BDC as the Global Catalog server. To my understand,
GC server
is an index mechanism that keeps info of every objects on AD
network
correct. When you have SBS install that is the master of all is
not that
true? If not, how do I make the BDC as the GC server as you have
mentioned
and as the backup DNS server. BTW, BDC is a windows 2000 server,
do you
think SBS 2003 likes sharing its DNS information with this
version of OS?

Thanks,
Helen



"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
<lanwench@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
in message
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> Helen Mooc <hmooc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I am doing this because I want to create redundancy for
Internet
>> access. I have been getting quite a bit of crying/phone
>> calling/showing up at my desk the minutes i reboot the PDC
>
> Note that there's no such thing as a PDC/BDC in Active
Directory. All DCs
> are peers. And yes, I would expect plenty of crying phone calls
if you're
> rebooting your SBS box in the middle of the work day, and not
just because
> of DNS issues - that shouldn't be happening at all. If you're
having major
> problems on the SBS box which require regular reboots, you
should address
> those immediately. If you post in here with the details I am
sure someone
> can help you out.
>
>> which is
>> where DNS is host. So do i need to set a secondary DNS on the
BDC or
>> can I install it on another member server?
>
> If you have an additional DC already, it should be set up with
> AD-integrated DNS (this is normally done when you set it up but
you can do
> it later). Do not set up DNS on a member server, and do not
set up a
> secondary DNS zone. AD relies heavily on a properly working DNS
structure
> and if you mess this up your domain will be in bad shape. Be
careful!
>>
>> Can you also answer my original questions as well.
>
> Sure - but you hadn't explained your question or your situation
well
> enough for me to do that before. If you set up your secondary
DC properly,
> with DNS, and make it a global catalog server, you can then add
this
> server's IP address to your clients' IP config as a secondary
DNS server
> (via DHCP, one hopes).
>
>
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Hhelen
>>
>> There is a Backup DC on the network
>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>> <lanwench@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in
>> message news:us3tKsidIHA.5416@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Helen Mooc <hmooc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Good morning,
>>>>
>>>> I want to set up a second DNS server on SBS network again
but I
>>>> can't remember what I have to watch out for on SBS network.
Its is
>>>> going to be a secondary DNS server on the 2nd server
correct? Do i
>>>> enter the ip address of the primary DNS server in the
property tab
>>>> of the 2nd server?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Helen
>>>
>>> You should only do this if you're adding an additional DC &
>>> AD-integrated DNS server for redunancy.
>>>
>>> If that's not the case, you should probably explain what it
is you're
>>> trying to accomplish.....
>
>
>





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