Re: Weird Vista issue on SBS 2003

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When you run the document redirection wiz, the "my documents" folder
becomes:

\\sbsserver\usersharedfolders\username.

At that point the "my documents" folder in c:\documents and
settings\username\ on the workstation should be "invisible" if indeed it is
there at all.

It works exactly the same way that it does if you "move" it from your system
drive to your data drive on your workstation.

The concept of "droping a file" in the Vista workstation, and "see it on the
server at next logoff" is still backwards.

When you save a file into the My Documents folder while using the
workstation, you are saving it to the shared folder on the server.

I used the words "while using the workstation" deliberatly, so as not to say
"when you save a file on the workstation", as that would just add to the
confusion.

You can test this for yourself. Create a file using Word Pad or the app of
your choice and put it in your My Documents folder. If you have run the
document redirection wizard, that file will be in the user shared
folder\user name, or where ever you told the wiz you wanted the files to be
stored.

Also, you can rclick the my documents folder and see its properties.

--
Larry

"ChuckT" <ChuckT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Thanks Les.

I think I will leave it alone tonight and sleep on it. With the help I've
recieved the Vista workstation seems to be running correctly. i now need
to
replciate this to two other Vista workstations.

I am thinking that I should take the Vista machine that is working
properly
and unjoin it from the domain. Delete the user and machine account off of
the domain and re join using connectcomputer wizard. Re create the user
and
machine account with the wizard on the server and then re join using the
connect computer.

I think that in all of the jumping around something permission wise got
messed up. I thought there was some new thing you had to do (like with
the
other Vista patches) since the Documents folder has a new name.

I gather that if the wizard works I should be be bale to drop a file into
the documents folder on the Vista client and at the next logoff I should
see
it in the users account folder on ther server without any extra steps?

Thanks again to everyone for this help.

Chuck

"Les Connor [SBS MVP]" wrote:

In the users shared folder that's created when you create the user
account
(by the Add User wizard). The folder permissions are already set
correctly -
(private to that user).

The potential drawback to the SBS Folder Direction GPO is it's the
*entire*
My Docs directory, which includes pictures, music, etc. In some cases,
you
either want to clean up those folders first, or, that's a good reason to
create your own GPO (but model it off the SBS GPO).

Another reason for a custom GPO is users who move around to different
computers where you don't want the default off-line folder
syncronization.
You can create a GPO to disable off-line folders for certain users
logging
onto certain computers (or groups of computers). CASE: business owner
logs
onto his own desktop computer - off-line folders enabled. Same person
logs
onto his laptop - off-line folders enabled. Business owner log onto
another
desktop computer that is also used by other users on the domain -
off-line
folders *disabled*, for obvious reasons (especially where the users are
also
admins on their workstations).

--
Les Connor [SBS MVP]


"ChuckT" <ChuckT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi:
That's a thought, I'll run the wizard again. Using the standard SBS
wizard
based redirection where do your documents end up on the server?

Thanks

Chuck

"Les Connor [SBS MVP]" wrote:

Presuming the SBS is updated with the Vista and Office compatability
updates, I've seen zero issues joining Vista Business machines to the
domain. Then again, I use the SBS default My Docs redirection, not a
custom/manual GPO.

--
Les Connor [SBS MVP]


"ChuckT" <ChuckT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hey Susan:

I created a GPO = Desktop Copy Policy
In the policy under users windows I enabled folder redirection for
mydocuments
Filter = None
Looking at the policy in GPMC it shows:
Path \\myserver\users\%username%\My Documents
Grant User Exclusive enabled
Move contents enabled

On my Vista machine I did disable rss and autotuning

On my Vista machine I put a test folder test4 and a test document
text4
into
documents. I can see it on the local machine.

I set the filter level at first to NONE did gpupdate /force and
rebooted
the
vista machine. Since I did not see the file and folder on the
server I
ran
gpresult and it said Desktop Copy Policy = Not Applied (Empty)

So I left the polcy intact and just changed the filter to POST SP2
and
the
gpresult said
Desktop Copy Policy Denied (WMi filter)

So I applied the VISTA filter (the Vista machine has the WMI patch
to
allow
it to join the LAN with the connectcomputer wizard). Gpudate /force
and
rebooted

GPresult says Desktop Copy Policy NOT APPLIED (Empty)

I am definately confused :)

Chuck



"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks" wrote:

I'm not seeing this speed delay here. Do you have the RSS adjusted
off
the SBS 2003 box post sp2 install?

ChuckT wrote:
I stand corrected. I had to reboot and it worked. Not just
logging
off. I
was able to use the START menu right away although the icons and
the
menu
item in the initial menu took about 1 minute to appear.
Whew!

Thank you for your help.

MS really needs to address this in a serious way.

Chuck

"Larry Struckmeyer" wrote:

Um, I probably have this bass-wards, as I don't have any
notebooks
in
use on
SBS servers, but intuitively I would think that you would first
enable
document redirection with the wiz, so that all files are stored
on
the
server when connected, and then enable sync so that a copy was
available on
the nb when it was away.

yes/no?

--
Larry


"ChuckT" <ChuckT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Yes I did. Performance is better now. On a fresh boot and
logon
it
takes
maybe a minute for the icons on the main (left hand) side to
show
up.
This
is way better than before, thank you very much.

How do I get the documents to clone back to the server? Trying
to
use
tried
and true GPO for redirecting the users documents to a folder on
the
hard
drive server under their user name. I can't seem to find where
these
are
going on the server.

Chuck

"Larry Struckmeyer" wrote:

You did the part about slow login times:?

There have been issues with slow logon times, where turning
off
auto-tuning
on the Vista client may help:
From a command prompt, type:
netsh interface tcp set global rss=disabled
netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled "
--
Larry


"ChuckT" <ChuckT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:15FBE4CD-8192-4E8E-B7F5-B35FBB85F678@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quick follow up question. Do you know why it take several
minutes
AFTER
you
apply these patches for the icons and menu items to appear in
the
START
MENU?
Do I have to set a logon policy for all vista clients to have
the
autotuning
and rss disabled? That did seem to help.

"Larry Struckmeyer" wrote:

Hi Chuck:

We are discussing SBS 2003 here? Did you add the patch for
SBS
and
the
patch for Vista?

Follow these links for Vista patches to apply to the SBS
server:

Install the Vista and Outlook 2007 compatibility update on
the
SBS
server
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=9BF2F1E4-1B2C-471B-A284-E0C8C169FAC3&displaylang=en

Be sure to read the bottom part of this page for additional
requirements.

Here is another MS article about the same fix:
Windows Small Business Server 2003: Windows Vista and
Outlook
2007
compatibility update
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=926505

Review the following: Each has a couple of links to follow:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555912


For Vista Clients to work properly with SBS 2003:
To join the domain, Vista must be Business, Enteprise or
Ultimate.
And should/must be joined to the SBS network using the
connectcomputer
wizard

http://msmvps.com/blogs/bradley/archive/2007/04/04/vista-slow-after-sp2-installed.aspx

There have been issues with slow logon times, where turning
off
auto-tuning
on the Vista client may help:
From a command prompt, type:
netsh interface tcp set global rss=disabled
netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled "

Also, disable all firewalls. Pay particular attention to
McAffee,
as
you
must disable all services in MSCONFIG.

Possible DNS Config Problems

Check your DNS settings on the Vista client.

In particular if you are using "Append these DNS suffixes
(in
order):"
make
sure the internal
domain is in the list and at the top.

At a command prompt you should be able to resolve the server
name
without
a
DNS suffix (e.g.
nslookup servername).


WSUS 2.0?
One thread discussed a problem with an older installation of
WSUS
that
would
not update Vista
Not tested by me.:

Old installation prior to Nov 2006 of WSUS that does not
allow
Vista
Patches
?
1. If the WSUS was installed prior to November, you need
to
go
back
into
the WSUS console and unclick all products/save/reclick all
products/save
and
resync.

2. If you are behind wsus 2.0 you need to install wsus 30 to
allow
the
Vista
to manually MU. Behind 2.0 it won't/can't.

--
Larry

"ChuckT" <ChuckT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi:
I built a new laptop with Vista and joined it to the
domain.
Whenever
I
log
in locally the machine runs fine, whenever I log in as a
domain
user
the
machine's performance drops significantly. The disk light
is
constantly
on
and the icons on the start menu disappear. I cannot run
anything
from
the
SEARCH box.


.

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