Re: Vista Bus to SBS2003R2 connectcomputer problems . . .

Maybe the difference is ISA.

I'm running premium SBS R2, but I haven't installed ISA yet. SBS has all the latest patches installed.

My vista installs are DELL OEM PCs and ASUS OEM Notebooks. On first boot, I just choose all the default options and setup 1 local admin account.

Then http://server/connectcomputer once the machine comes up.

The only time I have run into problems with an install is when there is more than 1 NIC.


I was planning on installing ISA this weekend, but maybe I'll wait until this is sorted out.



TrevorWhite wrote:
I actually did try without the FWC installed as I thought that more closely represented the normal means to connect, got the same problem.

PMTU discovery is some means that TCP uses to set the MTU packet size (when enabled) For participating routers/firewalls/etc this provides a means to control fragmentation of TCP packets (apparently). There was some issue with ISA2004 when under load that caused high CPU usage when PMTU was disabled (this can result in effective fragmentation under load). Since my server is not likely to suffer here and my router and ISA aren't configured to participate in PMTU discovery I've disabled the feature. There is a paper on this .. .not difficult to find.

XP??? I have already proved that XP will connect (although not with this hardware). I have commited this machine to Vista now and will continue using my old XP laptop until the problem is resolved or I determine how to work around the problem manually. IE get an acurate way to connectcomputer with all the wizard features applied.

Does a manual connectcomputer whit paper exist ????

Regards
Trevor

"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:

What happens if you...just for now, uninstall the FWC on the Vista machine?

Don't know what PMTU is? Was there some reason not to do the XP build as suggested and try joining?

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"TrevorWhite" <TrevorWhite@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:EE3EF2F0-F90E-4ED6-BB14-CD7169561B94@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hi Chris,
As promised I'm reporting back on progress with this issue.
Have conducted another bare metal Vista installation and installed the WMI provider and ISA2004 FWC for Vista. I have run the recently release SBS Best Practices Analyser and resolved a couple of reported criticals leaving 3 warnings one of which is PMTU is enabled.

The connectcomputer issue is still apparent and manifesting itself in exactly the same way as previously documented.

Do you or anyone have any input or more experience to offer to this problem???

Regards
Trev.

"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:

> I have not installed SP2 on my SBS server and to be honest, don't plan to
> at this point on my customer's servers until absolutely necessary. A
> search of this newsgroup will show not a lot of excitement about
> installing it
> > I have installed it with ISA 2004SP2
> I have not heard any particular issues with ISA SP3 and joining Vista
> > "TrevorWhite" <TrevorWhite@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:C5615B76-64D1-4093-830F-6B6A5A6C82E8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Hmmm, not encouraging is it.
> I still have my old laptop (with a dead CD drive) working OK. So can live
> with this state of flux for a few days. Its all part of the learning
> scheme I
> guess. I have just collected a definitive set of HP drivers in readiness
> for
> a re-install. If I am no further forward at least I know the problem is
> reproducable straight out of the box.
> > When you say you have had no problems can I take it that you have joined
> an
> SBS2003R2SP2 domain running ISA2004SP3 ??? or other similar.
> > Regards
> Trevor
> > "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
> > > Personally I haven't had issues with Vista (although I'm running
> Ultimate,
> > not business)
> > But a number of the MVPs are still not doing Vista. In fact if they get
> > vista machines, they exercise downgrade rights and put XP on it.
> Simply
> > and FYI
> >
> > If you want Vista, I would put the XP back on it, join it to the domain
> > makes sure that goes ok, and then do the upgrade
> >
> >
> > "TrevorWhite" <TrevorWhite@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:9B16C853-ACC1-4B0A-AD3C-6BB058F6A3E2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Well if there is one saving grace its the fact that this laptop is the
> > replacement for my aging HP nx9010 XP laptop. I decided to use the
> > replacement to venture into Vista country . . . I guess we are fast
> > approaching returning to an out of the box state (albeit that this was
> an
> > XP
> > to Vista update since the 'Vista ready' status did not mean that I could
> > buy
> > the machine with Vista already installed)
> >
> > I'll try to fit this in this evening.
> >
> > Regards
> > Trevor
> >
> > "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
> >
> > > I can appreciate your frustration at this point.
> > > If this computer is still not in the user's hands, I take the restore
> cd
> > > and restore it to its out of the box config
> > >
> > > Then we can start with a clean slate...
> > >
> > > If that's not an option, this may be a call to MS Support or the OEM
> > >
> > > "TrevorWhite" <TrevorWhite@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:E1E24654-B12A-4868-ABA2-3E512477F3A8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Hi Chris,
> > > Thanks for that. I have seen this too, I have disabled all of the
> > > contentious features on the NIC on the Vista and SBS box (actually the
> > SBS
> > > box has an older dual NIC and is not a problem). I have also installed
> > the
> > > latest driver from HP for the Vista PC.
> > >
> > > I just seem to be comming to a grinding halt with all of this. Its so
> > > frustrating as there is clearly some common issue for a given set of
> > > circumstances (many others have the same problem but others are
> working
> > > OK)
> > > Just wish I could get that break through pointer.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Trevor
> > >
> > > "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Trevor
> > > > In looking at the information that you sent, I see that your SBS
> > server
> > > is
> > > > at Windows SP2
> > > > It might be worth reviewing this blog from the SBS Product team on
> > > > networking issues which resulting for the application of SP2
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/2007/04/24/common-networking-issues-a
> > > > fter-applying-windows-server-2003-sp2-on-sbs.aspx
> > > >
> > > > "TrevorWhite" <TrevorWhite@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> message
> > > > news:D6AA6738-3B22-4B8B-AC3F-FA368D3D54BC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Yep thats what I (and a number of others) are doing and not getting
> > the
> > > > expected results. I have posted a full account and sysinfo dumps for
> > the
> > > > SBS
> > > > and Vista box in my last reply to Chris Hanna. Let me know if there
> > are
> > > > any
> > > > pointers you can give me.
> > > >
> > > > If I fix this I promise to post the complete solution . . ..thats
> waht
> > > been
> > > > frustrating me . . . recommendations have been given then the
> thread
> > > just
> > > > goes quiet.
> > > >
> > > > The 'extra' operations that I have described have been as the result
> > of
> > > 3
> > > > days activity last week on an Experts-Exchange.com thread. This is
> > still
> > > > open
> > > > with myself and Jeff@Techsoeasy mainly participating . . . nothing
> > doing
> > > > yet
> > > > !!!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your comment so far.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Trevor
> > > >
> > > > "Brad" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Trevor,
> > > > >
> > > > > I ran into this problem with a few Vista Bus laptops - Whenever I
> > > tried
> > > > > to connect over a wireless connection.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Make sure you are on a wired connection, not wireless. There is
> > no
> > > > > need to disable the UAC.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) Make sure you have installed the vista patches on your SBS
> > machine.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) In Control Panel -> Network Connections, disable all network
> > > adapters
> > > > > except your wired NIC. There is no need to worry about your IP6
> > > > bindings.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) Open internet explorer (no need to run as admin) and go to
> > > > > http://server/connectcomputer, enable intranet settings when
> > prompted.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5) Follow the bouncing ball.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To install the certificate on Vista...
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) right click your IE icon and choose "run as administrator"
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) When prompted that there is a problem with the website
> > certificate,
> > > > > click "Continue to this website (not recommended)."
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) Click on the certificate error, near your URL bar, and then
> View
> > > > > Certificate.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4) Click Install Certificate -> Place all certificates in the
> > > following
> > > > > store -> Trusted Root Certification Authorities.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5) Reboot if necessary
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > TrevorWhite wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Chris,
> > > > > > Thanks for your comment, did not know that about Technet (I
> don't
> > > > subscribe)
> > > > > > I saw a Mr Rob Li of MSFT address this issue to a point but have
> > not
> > > > seen the
> > > > > > conclusion. Would be very gratefull if anyone could pass this
> > > request
> > > > on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My experience with Security Certificates is not as you describe
> it
> > > > (even
> > > > > > under XP clients) If a certificate is not present then you get a
> > > > prompt. This
> > > > > > is not the main problem but would be good to resolve.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Main problem is that with connectcomputer. Over the past few
> days
> > we
> > > > have
> > > > > > gone over every nook and cranny including the Intranet settings
> > > which
> > > > by
> > > > > > default are turned off. You have to turn on Intranet settings
> and
> > > > disable
> > > > > > protected mode also add the server FQDN or IP to the list of
> > trusted
> > > > sites.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Main problem to get started was removing all the NICs and other
> > > > protocols
> > > > > > that come with Vista out of the box apart from the one b eing
> used
> > > to
> > > > connect
> > > > > > with.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If this can't be resolved is there a white paper that explains
> all
> > > > that has
> > > > > > to be done to replace this important of SBS wizards. I need the
> > VPN
> > > > and other
> > > > > > remote stuff to work reliably and in a managable way. I've
> learnt
> > > that
> > > > not
> > > > > > running the wizards in SBS is ust asking for trouble.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Really hope someone can through some light on this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > Trevor
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> You will only get responses from Microsoft support in this
> forum
> > if
> > > > you
> > > > > >> are a Technet Subscriber, the way I understand it
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> When you connect your Vista machine to the LAN, and it gets an
> IP
> > > > from the
> > > > > >> LAN, you should not see the security certificate.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The only other thing I can think of at this point would be to
> > Check
> > > > Vista
.

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