Re: Virtual Server on SBS

hi Mike,

From the earlier msgs, your server is running a 32-bit version of Windows
(aka IA32 or x86), since SBS runs only on 32-bit. If you have more physical
ram than 4GB, x86 Windows (incl. SBS) won't be able to recognise it.

There are a few ways you can use your 'extra' memory, but some planning
and though should be applied. To use the 12GB physical memory, you would
need to use the x64 64-bit edition of Windows server (not to be confused
with
64-bit Itanium which is IA64). This OS would be the host OS - you can run
a few apps here or just let it be the host. You can install VirtualServer
and
run several virtual machines (VMs) each running its own guest OS - it's a
virtual machine just like a real one, only simulated in software. One of
this guests OSes can even be SBS, but note that ISA is not supported in a
VM/guest OS. The question is, what do you need to run on the server?

Eugene Tan
SBS MVP

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"Mike Webb" <Mike_Webb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Good to know, and thanks for the input. I never knew or caught that SBS
can only use 4 GB of RAM (my fault). I wasted my money then on the extra
RAM. I can get a used box to handle MOSS and get by until the 64-bit
version of SBS comes out in 2008 or 2009.

Mike

"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message news:efTpp4AwHHA.4992@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Its a good news/bad news situation Mike
Since you're 2800 is running your SBS server, you are in 32 bit mode,
regardless of what the processors are capable of

Therefore, no matter how much RAM you physically have in the box, only 4
GB will be recognized/used Since VS would run on top of the underlying
OS it takes up aportion of that 4GB...won't use any of that EXTRA RAM

And as kj points out...just would not be a good performer with MOSS on
the box in a VS environment. SBS would run bad and MOSS would run
badly

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"Mike Webb" <Mike_Webb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Ok, I get it. I'll keep that in mind.


Thanks!

"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Mike Webb wrote:
The 2800 is running it. <pop>

Oh well. ( SBS2003 doesn't have a 64bit OS option )


So I'd need a device CAL for Virtual Server? I think I have a spare.

No. If you install VS2005 you don't need any additional license. Each
"guest OS" (Virtual Machine) you install (XP, W2K, W2K3, Vista, etc)
each need the normal OS license just like you were installing to a
physical machine. If the Guest OS accesses SBS, then you would need a
Device CAL for the Guest OS or the user logging in would need to be
under a USER CAL. ( Just like it was a Physcial Machine)


And I really don't know that I'll move up to 64-bit in the the near-
or medium-term. I don't have a compelling reason at this point.

"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Mike Webb wrote:
Ok; thought I'd have to actually get new processors.

Mike

So, not to pop your new bubble, but .... The 2800 isn't what is
running the SBS server right?

While Virtual Server 2005 (R2 - SP1) is a free download, each Virtual
Machine ("guest OS") requires separate OS licensing, just like a
physical installation would.

...oh, and there's no 64bit VM "Guest" support from Microsoft (yet).



"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Mike Webb wrote:
Sorry it took awhile; here's what it said: D7590PROCESSOR, 80546K,
3.0G, 1M, XEON NOCONA, 800, E0

64 bit Server drivers available from Dell. You'd want to update
BIOS before proceeding.



"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Mike Webb wrote:
Thanks. According to MSINFO32, my processors are "x86 Family 15
Model 4 Stepping 1 GenuineIntel ~2992 Mhz". I take that to mean
32-bit. Right/

Hmmm. That's what it's running as. I wouldn't give up just yet.
Take your Dell Service tag and go to their support site, plug in
the TAG and check what you're supposed to have under the covers.


"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Mike Webb wrote:
No, got it from a local MS Gold Partner about 2 1/2 years ago.

I'm embarrased to say I don't know how to check if I've got a
32- or 64-bit system. Took a quick look at Device Manager,
but it didn't say when I checked on the processor properties.

Mike

Start|run|msinfo32

The first section should tell you the proc specifics, and of
course the BIOS should give you addtional info, but I'm pretty
sure the Xeons are 64bit.

If so, I'd start auditing that server for required software
that is 32bit only.... and start looking around for a 64bit
version of Windows Server 2003 Std.

Virtual Server newsgroup is;

microsoft.public.virtualserver



"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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Mike Webb wrote:
Hmmm ....
I've got dual Intel Xeon's running at 3 GHz

Sounds like a 64 bit proc to me. Did you order it from Dell
with the OS installed? Did they send you a 64 bit OS CD?


"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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Mike Webb wrote:
I had no idea. As for which verion I have, it looks like
standard. I just looked at the System Information tab of
My Computer and it says 4 GB of RAM. Looks like I have 8
GB of RAM that could be used in VS.

It could if it was Enterprise or 64bit, but VS takes away
from RAM already available to the OS.

What proc is in that 2800?


"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]"
<crisnospamhanna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
in message news:%23KDuTIzvHHA.3500@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Windows Server Standard, can only take advantage of 4GB
of RAM. If you have 12GB, the OS will only use 4GB

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"Mike Webb" <Mike_Webb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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Unfortunately, no -- just 32-bit.
"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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Mike Webb wrote:
Good advice. I've got 12 GB RAM on my Dell PowerEdge
2800, with ~300 GB of HD space. Would that make a
difference? ) Other than my being completely new to
VS?

Is that a 64 bit sevrer? If it is and you're running
Server 2003 Std 64bit, that makes for a nice Virtual
Server 2005 (64bit) R2 Sp1 residence.

Should make for a good physical MOSS installation as
well.

"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
in message
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Mike Webb wrote:
Running SBS 2003 Premium SP2, ISA 2004, Exchange,
SQL, WSUS, 2 NICs and a router, dynamic IP, DDNS
service through DYNDNS.org, Symantec Backupexec 11d.
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I recently bought MOSS 2007 for an emerging
requirement and was poking around blogs, websites,
and NG's to learn more about it and came across the
term Virtual Server. I've seen it mentioned before
by MVPs, usually in conjunction with a test
environment, so passed over it. Well, I went to
MS's page on Virtual Server and am now wondering if
I can use this product to host MOSS 2007 on my SBS
box. Any advice? Also, are there any good sites or
blogs to start with on Virtual Server on SBS that
will help me learn about using it? I'm certainly
not a pro, but I think it could be very useful for
our non-profit. Many thanks in advance!

As I recall Sharepoint Server 2007 'system
requirements' ask for 1GB ram minimum and 2GB
recommended. With a 4GB limit on your SBS server to
start with and your full SBS Prem configuration,
you probably don't want to be giving 25%- 50% of that
away to MOSS. Virtual PC2007 is a good place to comfy
with virtual machine technology and when run on a
beefy workstation is much safer place to begin than
on your SBS server. Once you've mastered that,
Virtual Server is a natural progression. --
/kj

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