Re: network slows down after SP2 install

Robert:

As expected, the NAS device worked just fine. I installed it and all 10
local pc's could read files from it just fine, just like they could on the
server before SP2. It took just over 5 minutes to copy 43.7MB in 186 files
from the server to the NAS device. Copying the same directory of files took
5 seconds to a new directory on the server. On the NAS device, directory to
directory was 10 seconds. So the problem is getting data in/out of the
server.

We are back to my original question. What did SP2 change on the server that
would severely slow down network traffic between the server and the pc's on
the network when reading/writing files? Is there some authentication
process that validates each data packet transmitted between server and pc
that was turned on that kills performance? There are no physical errors
reported on any of the devices and no errors in any of the logs. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Jim



"Robert Li [MSFT]" <v-robeli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi Jim,

Thanks for updating.

Please arrange to install NAS and see if the situation would be better.

If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to let me know.

Best regards,

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<Robert:
<
<I had issues over the weekend with another client (their biggest season
is
<right now) and did not install the NAS. Hopefully it will happen before
the
<day is out. I expect no problem and expect the device to deliver the
same
<performance my client was previously experiencing. Of course, backup
will
<be slower since Veritas will be reading the new device through the SBS.
<This is just a workaround and should not be the final solution. I plan
on
<creating mapped links directly to the NAS as opposed to DFS, which would
<cause traffic redirection and would require direct server interaction.
<Using mapped drives on local pc's between each other (just like a
workgroup)
<produces performance that buries the server right now, so the NAS should
do
<just fine. Still doesn't solve the server isssue, but should give me
some
<relief.
<
<Jim
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<> Hi Jim,
<>
<> Thanks for updating.
<>
<> I am sorry for the delay due to the weekend.
<>
<> How are the thing going after you installed Windows 2003 NAS?
<>
<> I am looking forward to hear from you.
<>
<> If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to let me know.
<>
<> Best regards,
<>
<> Robert Li(MSFT)
<>
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<> <Robert:
<> <
<> <I have 8 other SBS machines that accepted SP2, some with a mix of
<> machines
<> <that are old and upgraded from W2K to XP Pro, others, with up to 50
<> machines
<> <all new XP Pro workstations, full office 2003. We've met the
requirement
<> <you listed below. In all 8 cases, there have been NO problems with
<> <performance. All of my sites are current on service packs and
hotfixes
<> for
<> <workstations and servers. I cannot replicate the slow performance
<> anywhere.
<> <Something is different in this one box that MS tech support and myself
<> have
<> <yet to find.
<> <
<> <I did replace the Dell Broadcomm NIC with a real Intel server NIC
(latest
<> <driver) and turned off all the outboard stuff per the KB article and
<> <SBSBlog.
<> <
<> <I do not use ISA at any location.
<> <
<> <Just for grins tomorrow I am going to install a Windows 2003 NAS on
the
<> <network and see what kind of performance that has. I already know
that
<> <sharing a drive even from the slowest PIII on the network blows away
the
<> <server performance for file copies and loading/saving Excel documents,
<> etc.
<> <This will be stop gap, but they are desparate to return to previous
<> <processing performance. I am still stuck with replacing their ACT
<> contact
<> <management system, which was on the books for replacement next spring,
<> not
<> <this year.
<> <
<> <Thanks for your response.
<> <
<> <Jim
<> <
<> <
<> <"Robert Li [MSFT]" <v-robeli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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<> <> Hi Jim,
<> <>
<> <> Thanks for updating.
<> <>
<> <> Please take your time to try my suggestion.
<> <>
<> <> Also, please setup a test machine with Windows XP SP2 and office
2003
<> SP2,
<> <> can this machine copy the file slowly?
<> <>
<> <> Description of the Office 2003 post Service Pack 2 hotfix package:
<> <> November
<> <> 7, 2005
<> <> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/900612/en-us
<> <>
<> <> If you have ISA 2004 installed, please install the latest updates
for
<> <> Microsoft Internet Security and Acceleration (ISA) Server 2004.
<> <>
<> <> For more information:
<> <>
<> <> You may experience network-related problems after you install
Windows
<> <> Server 2003 SP2 or the Scalable Networking Pack on a Windows Small
<> <> Business
<> <> Server 2003-based computer that has an advanced network adapter
<> <> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936594
<> <> /en-us
<> <>
<> <> I am looking forward to hear from you.
<> <>
<> <> If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to let me
know.
<> <>
<> <> Best regards,
<> <>
<> <> Robert Li(MSFT)
<> <>
<> <> Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
<> <>
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<> <> <Robert:
<> <> <
<> <> <The only item on your list I cannot address as already being done
is
<> item
<> <> 3.
<> <> <I will check that later this morning.
<> <> <
<> <> <It still bugs me that SP2 would be this harmful.
<> <> <
<> <> <My users still use ACT! 6.0 and before SP2, they could open the
<> database
<> <> and
<> <> <run just fine. Now, the program will open the database and then
fail,
<> <> <giving a hard error. That's the XP Pro, original installs. These
<> <> machines
<> <> <cannot even run the program locally being disconnected from the
server
<> <> with
<> <> <a local copy of the database. Some policy or something has been
<> really
<> <> <hosed. However, the machines updated from W2K still open and read
the
<> <> <database just fine! Go figure.
<> <> <
<> <> <Jim
<> <> <
<> <> <
<> <> <
<> <> <
<> <> <
<> <> <
<> <> <"Robert Li [MSFT]" <v-robeli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
<> <> <news:rlLjkv2oHHA.1144@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<> <> <> Hi Paul,
<> <> <>
<> <> <> Thanks for posting in our newsgroup and also for Susan's input.
<> <> <>
<> <> <> First you have called the MS phone support, but it's not
resolved.
<> The
<> <> <> problem is really complex. Thanks for your time and patience.
<> <> <>
<> <> <> Please take the following steps:
<> <> <>
<> <> <> Step 1: Disable SMB signing.
<> <> <>
<> <> <> SMB signing is designed to prevent against Man-in-the-middle
attacks
<> <> but
<> <> <> will reduce network performance because every packet has to be
<> signed,
<> <> and
<> <> <> every packet has to be decrypted.
<> <> <>
<> <> <> To disable SMB signing in Windows 2003, perform the following
steps.
<> <> <>
<> <> <> 1. Open GPEDIT.MSC
<> <> <> 2. Open the "Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security
<> <> <> Settings\Local Policies\Security Options" folder.
<> <> <> 3. Locate the "Microsoft network server: Digitally sign
<> communications
<> <> <> (always)" policy setting, and then click "Disabled" or "Do Not
<> <> Configure".
<> <> <>
<> <> <> You can also modify the following key to disable SMB signing.
<> <> <>
<> <> <>
<> <>
<>
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmanserver\parameter
<> <> <> s]
<> <> <> "enablesecuritysignature"=dword:00000000
<> <> <> "requiresecuritysignature"=dword:00000000
<> <> <>
<> <> <> Step 2: Look at the following KBs:
<> <> <>
<> <> <> 927695 You cannot host TCP connections when Receive Side Scaling
is
<> <> <> enabled
<> <> <> in Windows Server 2003 with Service Pack 2
<> <> <>
<> <> <> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;927695
<> <> <>
<> <> <> Windows 2003 service pack 2 known issues on Small Business Server
<> 2003
<> <> <> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=555912
<> <> <>
<> <> <> Step 3: Take the steps in KB 321098
<> <> <> Slow network performance occurs if you copy files to a domain
<> <> controller
<> <> <> that is running Windows 2000 or Windows Server 2003
<> <> <> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/321098/
<> <> <>
<> <> <>
<> <> <> Step 4: On the server, change the NIC properties.
<> <> <>
<> <> <> Go to Internal NIC properties, On general tab clicked configure
<> button,
<> <> <> click advanced tab,
<> <> <>
<> <> <> Turn off following properties
<> <> <> Offload Receive IP checksum,
<> <> <> Offload Receive TCP checksum,
<> <> <> Offload TCP segmentation,
<> <> <> Offload transmit IP checksum
<> <> <> Offload transmit TCP checksum
<> <> <>
<> <> <> Step 4: Install SP2 for WIN XP and latest service pack for Office
<> 2003
<> <> on
<> <> <> client computer.
<> <> <>
<> <> <> I am looking forward to hear from you.
<> <> <>
<> <> <> If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to let me
<> know.
<> <> <>
<> <> <> Best regards,
<> <> <>
<> <> <> Robert Li(MSFT)
<> <> <>
<> <> <> Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
<> <> <>
<> <> <> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
<> <> <>
<> <> <> =====================================================
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<> <> <> regarding other Microsoft products, you'd better post in the
<> <> corresponding
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<> <> manner.
<> <> <> You can locate the newsgroup here:
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<> <> Please
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<> <> <>
<> <> <> Any input or comments in this thread are highly appreciated.
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<> <> <> <They all had to be flattened and XP Pro re-installed
<> <> <> <
<> <> <> <are you saying that a support engineer from microsoft asked you
to
<> <> <> reinstall
<> <> <> <all of your clients?
<> <> <> <
<> <> <> <
<> <> <> <"jim" <jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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<> <> <> <> The blog notes and instructions from the SBS blog have all
been
<> <> heeded.
<> <> <> <> 32
<> <> <> <> hours of talking with tech support on the phone, changing the
nic
<> <> card,
<> <> <> <> updating all the drivers, and still, the system is dogging to
the
<> <> point
<> <> <> of
<> <> <> <> being painful. Here is the unexplainable issue: I have 5 new
<> <> <> machines,
<> <> <> <> all
<> <> <> <> came from Dell with XP Pro installed. They all had to be
<> flattened
<> <> and
<> <> <> XP
<> <> <> <> Pro re-installed. They worked great until SP2 was installed.
<> Now
<> <> they
<> <> <> <> take
<> <> <> <> 5 minutes to open an 8MB spread*** they used to open in 20
<> <> seconds.
<> <> <> My
<> <> <> <> 3
<> <> <> <> old machines were upgraded from W2K to XP Pro and they worked
<> fine
<> <> <> before
<> <> <> <> SP2
<> <> <> <> was installed. Afterward, they are slower, but work better
than
<> the
<> <> <> new
<> <> <> <> machines. The old machines can still run ACT 6.0. The new
<> machines
<> <> <> fail
<> <> <> <> with a program error after opening the database. Explain
that!
<> <> <> <>
<> <> <> <> All file access to the network is so slow now. Don't suggest
<> <> anything
<> <> <> <> previously mentioned in the blog. 4 MS engineers can verify
that
<> <> all
<> <> <> the
<> <> <> <> tricks have been done as outlined in this blog.
<> <> <> <>
<> <> <> <> There must have been some other deep layer of connectivity
<> between
<> <> the
<> <> <> <> server and workstations that does some kind of
<> handshaking/security
<> <> <> <> checking
<> <> <> <> that is slowing things down. Excel seems to have been hit the
<> <> hardest.
<> <> <> <> It
<> <> <> <> is a terrible thing to see a 2GB 4Ghz Dual Core processor take
60
<> <> <> seconds
<> <> <> <> to
<> <> <> <> copy 10 files of 80K each from the network to the local drive.
<> <> <> <>
<> <> <> <> I have 5 SBS 2003 servers and 3 of them are just fine. This
one
<> is
<> <> <> dying
<> <> <> <> and SP2 failed to install on the other one. I am afraid to
work
<> the
<> <> <> issue
<> <> <> <> as
<> <> <> <> it might turn out like this one.
<> <> <> <>
<> <> <> <> I really do need ideas and help short of flattening the
server,
<> as
<> <> that
<> <> <> <> may
<> <> <> <> not help anyway. Ideas, anyone?
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