Re: network slows down after SP2 install

Robert:

I had issues over the weekend with another client (their biggest season is
right now) and did not install the NAS. Hopefully it will happen before the
day is out. I expect no problem and expect the device to deliver the same
performance my client was previously experiencing. Of course, backup will
be slower since Veritas will be reading the new device through the SBS.
This is just a workaround and should not be the final solution. I plan on
creating mapped links directly to the NAS as opposed to DFS, which would
cause traffic redirection and would require direct server interaction.
Using mapped drives on local pc's between each other (just like a workgroup)
produces performance that buries the server right now, so the NAS should do
just fine. Still doesn't solve the server isssue, but should give me some
relief.

Jim
"Robert Li [MSFT]" <v-robeli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi Jim,

Thanks for updating.

I am sorry for the delay due to the weekend.

How are the thing going after you installed Windows 2003 NAS?

I am looking forward to hear from you.

If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to let me know.

Best regards,

Robert Li(MSFT)

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<Robert:
<
<I have 8 other SBS machines that accepted SP2, some with a mix of
machines
<that are old and upgraded from W2K to XP Pro, others, with up to 50
machines
<all new XP Pro workstations, full office 2003. We've met the requirement
<you listed below. In all 8 cases, there have been NO problems with
<performance. All of my sites are current on service packs and hotfixes
for
<workstations and servers. I cannot replicate the slow performance
anywhere.
<Something is different in this one box that MS tech support and myself
have
<yet to find.
<
<I did replace the Dell Broadcomm NIC with a real Intel server NIC (latest
<driver) and turned off all the outboard stuff per the KB article and
<SBSBlog.
<
<I do not use ISA at any location.
<
<Just for grins tomorrow I am going to install a Windows 2003 NAS on the
<network and see what kind of performance that has. I already know that
<sharing a drive even from the slowest PIII on the network blows away the
<server performance for file copies and loading/saving Excel documents,
etc.
<This will be stop gap, but they are desparate to return to previous
<processing performance. I am still stuck with replacing their ACT
contact
<management system, which was on the books for replacement next spring,
not
<this year.
<
<Thanks for your response.
<
<Jim
<
<
<"Robert Li [MSFT]" <v-robeli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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<> Hi Jim,
<>
<> Thanks for updating.
<>
<> Please take your time to try my suggestion.
<>
<> Also, please setup a test machine with Windows XP SP2 and office 2003
SP2,
<> can this machine copy the file slowly?
<>
<> Description of the Office 2003 post Service Pack 2 hotfix package:
<> November
<> 7, 2005
<> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/900612/en-us
<>
<> If you have ISA 2004 installed, please install the latest updates for
<> Microsoft Internet Security and Acceleration (ISA) Server 2004.
<>
<> For more information:
<>
<> You may experience network-related problems after you install Windows
<> Server 2003 SP2 or the Scalable Networking Pack on a Windows Small
<> Business
<> Server 2003-based computer that has an advanced network adapter
<> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936594
<> /en-us
<>
<> I am looking forward to hear from you.
<>
<> If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to let me know.
<>
<> Best regards,
<>
<> Robert Li(MSFT)
<>
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<>
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<> <Robert:
<> <
<> <The only item on your list I cannot address as already being done is
item
<> 3.
<> <I will check that later this morning.
<> <
<> <It still bugs me that SP2 would be this harmful.
<> <
<> <My users still use ACT! 6.0 and before SP2, they could open the
database
<> and
<> <run just fine. Now, the program will open the database and then fail,
<> <giving a hard error. That's the XP Pro, original installs. These
<> machines
<> <cannot even run the program locally being disconnected from the server
<> with
<> <a local copy of the database. Some policy or something has been
really
<> <hosed. However, the machines updated from W2K still open and read the
<> <database just fine! Go figure.
<> <
<> <Jim
<> <
<> <
<> <
<> <
<> <
<> <
<> <"Robert Li [MSFT]" <v-robeli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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<> <> Hi Paul,
<> <>
<> <> Thanks for posting in our newsgroup and also for Susan's input.
<> <>
<> <> First you have called the MS phone support, but it's not resolved.
The
<> <> problem is really complex. Thanks for your time and patience.
<> <>
<> <> Please take the following steps:
<> <>
<> <> Step 1: Disable SMB signing.
<> <>
<> <> SMB signing is designed to prevent against Man-in-the-middle attacks
<> but
<> <> will reduce network performance because every packet has to be
signed,
<> and
<> <> every packet has to be decrypted.
<> <>
<> <> To disable SMB signing in Windows 2003, perform the following steps.
<> <>
<> <> 1. Open GPEDIT.MSC
<> <> 2. Open the "Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security
<> <> Settings\Local Policies\Security Options" folder.
<> <> 3. Locate the "Microsoft network server: Digitally sign
communications
<> <> (always)" policy setting, and then click "Disabled" or "Do Not
<> Configure".
<> <>
<> <> You can also modify the following key to disable SMB signing.
<> <>
<> <>
<>
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmanserver\parameter
<> <> s]
<> <> "enablesecuritysignature"=dword:00000000
<> <> "requiresecuritysignature"=dword:00000000
<> <>
<> <> Step 2: Look at the following KBs:
<> <>
<> <> 927695 You cannot host TCP connections when Receive Side Scaling is
<> <> enabled
<> <> in Windows Server 2003 with Service Pack 2
<> <>
<> <> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;927695
<> <>
<> <> Windows 2003 service pack 2 known issues on Small Business Server
2003
<> <> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=555912
<> <>
<> <> Step 3: Take the steps in KB 321098
<> <> Slow network performance occurs if you copy files to a domain
<> controller
<> <> that is running Windows 2000 or Windows Server 2003
<> <> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/321098/
<> <>
<> <>
<> <> Step 4: On the server, change the NIC properties.
<> <>
<> <> Go to Internal NIC properties, On general tab clicked configure
button,
<> <> click advanced tab,
<> <>
<> <> Turn off following properties
<> <> Offload Receive IP checksum,
<> <> Offload Receive TCP checksum,
<> <> Offload TCP segmentation,
<> <> Offload transmit IP checksum
<> <> Offload transmit TCP checksum
<> <>
<> <> Step 4: Install SP2 for WIN XP and latest service pack for Office
2003
<> on
<> <> client computer.
<> <>
<> <> I am looking forward to hear from you.
<> <>
<> <> If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to let me
know.
<> <>
<> <> Best regards,
<> <>
<> <> Robert Li(MSFT)
<> <>
<> <> Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
<> <>
<> <> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
<> <>
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<> <>
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<> <>
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<> <>
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<> <> check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone
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<> <>
<> <> Any input or comments in this thread are highly appreciated.
<> <>
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<> <> <They all had to be flattened and XP Pro re-installed
<> <> <
<> <> <are you saying that a support engineer from microsoft asked you to
<> <> reinstall
<> <> <all of your clients?
<> <> <
<> <> <
<> <> <"jim" <jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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<> <> <> The blog notes and instructions from the SBS blog have all been
<> heeded.
<> <> <> 32
<> <> <> hours of talking with tech support on the phone, changing the nic
<> card,
<> <> <> updating all the drivers, and still, the system is dogging to the
<> point
<> <> of
<> <> <> being painful. Here is the unexplainable issue: I have 5 new
<> <> machines,
<> <> <> all
<> <> <> came from Dell with XP Pro installed. They all had to be
flattened
<> and
<> <> XP
<> <> <> Pro re-installed. They worked great until SP2 was installed.
Now
<> they
<> <> <> take
<> <> <> 5 minutes to open an 8MB spread*** they used to open in 20
<> seconds.
<> <> My
<> <> <> 3
<> <> <> old machines were upgraded from W2K to XP Pro and they worked
fine
<> <> before
<> <> <> SP2
<> <> <> was installed. Afterward, they are slower, but work better than
the
<> <> new
<> <> <> machines. The old machines can still run ACT 6.0. The new
machines
<> <> fail
<> <> <> with a program error after opening the database. Explain that!
<> <> <>
<> <> <> All file access to the network is so slow now. Don't suggest
<> anything
<> <> <> previously mentioned in the blog. 4 MS engineers can verify that
<> all
<> <> the
<> <> <> tricks have been done as outlined in this blog.
<> <> <>
<> <> <> There must have been some other deep layer of connectivity
between
<> the
<> <> <> server and workstations that does some kind of
handshaking/security
<> <> <> checking
<> <> <> that is slowing things down. Excel seems to have been hit the
<> hardest.
<> <> <> It
<> <> <> is a terrible thing to see a 2GB 4Ghz Dual Core processor take 60
<> <> seconds
<> <> <> to
<> <> <> copy 10 files of 80K each from the network to the local drive.
<> <> <>
<> <> <> I have 5 SBS 2003 servers and 3 of them are just fine. This one
is
<> <> dying
<> <> <> and SP2 failed to install on the other one. I am afraid to work
the
<> <> issue
<> <> <> as
<> <> <> it might turn out like this one.
<> <> <>
<> <> <> I really do need ideas and help short of flattening the server,
as
<> that
<> <> <> may
<> <> <> not help anyway. Ideas, anyone?
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