Re: Wrong MSDE installed

That is my understanding as well. WMSDE is not available as a
redistrubtable. I believe Sharepoint uses WMSDE, and I'm certain WSUS (2.0
or R2) uses WMSDE. It *looks* to me that Monitoring is using MSDE, but I'm
not sure of this.

All use named instances, none default. Greg may be having a problem with the
SBS setup installing Monitoring after a default instance is already
installed outside of the SBS setup.

Hey, where are all the SQL gurus when you need them? ;-)

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/kj
"Kerry Brown" <kerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx*a*m> wrote in message
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On a normal SBS install both the MSDE and the WMSDE installation files are
installed. Normally you'll find them here.

C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server SP4\MSDE

and

C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server SP4\WMSDE

As far as I know only Microsoft programs can use the WMSDE instalation
files. If I need to install an MSDE instance I always do it from the MSDE
folder.

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Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
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"Gregg Hill" <bogus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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KJ,

I have installed Backup Exec several times on SBS and it always works
with what I assumed was the MSDE that comes with SBS. It just creates
another instance.

Per this info from my SBS 2003 SP1 system, Backup Exec 10 and Sharepoint
appear to be using the same version of MSDE, except that the Sharepoint
one calls it "Desktop Engine (Windows) on Windows NT 5.2" instead of
"Desktop Engine on Windows NT 5.2." If you look at the build numbers and
dates, they are the same.

C:\>osql -E -S sbs2003\bkupexec
1> select @@version
2> go

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Microsoft SQL Server 2000 - 8.00.2039 (Intel X86)
May 3 2005 23:18:38
Copyright (c) 1988-2003 Microsoft Corporati
on
Desktop Engine on Windows NT 5.2 (Build 3790: Service Pack 1)

(1 row affected)
1> exit



C:\>osql -E -S sbs2003\sharepoint
1> select @@version
2> go

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Microsoft SQL Server 2000 - 8.00.2039 (Intel X86)
May 3 2005 23:18:38
Copyright (c) 1988-2003 Microsoft Corporati
on
Desktop Engine (Windows) on Windows NT 5.2 (Build 3790: Service
Pack 1)

(1 row affected)
1> exit

C:\>



Now back to my client.

The application they have is called Total Service from
http://www.expertservicesolutions.com/TS.html. The vendor says it is not
compatible with WMSDE and needs MSDE itself. I am not aware of the
differences between the two. I am going to download the demo, back up my
own SBS, and install the demo to see if it works with SBS' install of
WMSDE.

This information:

2006-11-07 17:42:35.84 server Microsoft SQL Server 2000 - 8.00.194
(Intel X86)
Aug 6 2000 00:57:48
Copyright (c) 1988-2000 Microsoft Corporation
Desktop Engine on Windows NT 5.2 (Build 3790: )

indicates that they have MSDE 2000 build 8.00.194, which is the RTM
build. Since the vendor says it is needed for their app, can I just grab
the SBS disks and install the MSDE that is in SBS? Why would two
different versions be needed, if indeed the versions are actually
different? I will post this message, then Google for the differences
between the two, if any.

Thank you again for your time.

Gregg Hill








"kj" <kj@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Anytime Greg. Hope it helps.

Any idea what it was being used for? I know a couple of common third
party products use the redistributable MSDE for their DB. (Backup Exec
is one)

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/kj
"Gregg Hill" <bogus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Thank you!

And good night!

Gregg Hill


"kj" <kj@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Might want to have a look at;

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/320873/en-us

as you have determined to have MSDE not WMSDE.

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/kj
"Gregg Hill" <bogus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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My pleasure. I thought it was funny, too, and it just came to me as I
was typing. And my wife keeps telling me that I'm not funny...HA!

See my reply to David Copeland, coming in a few minutes

Gregg




"kj" <kj@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I picked up a new client whose previous IT guy was missing a few
letters in between the "I" and the "T" (namely DIO).

Oh that one made my day!! Thanks Gregg.

If he used the distributable version of MSDE you'll need to hack it
out of there. I'm pretty sure that all SBS needs are supplied by
Wmsde which are only included in the various products. (Montioring,
Sharepoint, WSUS).

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/kj
"Gregg Hill" <bogus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hello!

I picked up a new client whose previous IT guy was missing a few
letters in between the "I" and the "T" (namely DIO).

They have an SBS 2003 server, no service pack, and several things
do not work, such as SharePoint companyweb, Monitoring, and the
setup wizard. The wizard dies with a blocking error stating, "SQL
Server 2000 needs SP3 for Windows Server 2003 compatibility."

I Googled myself into a hole, but did find where to look in the
registry to find what media was used to install MSDE. It has a
version of MSDE that did NOT come with SBS 2003. The idiot who
installed the SBS 2003 server installed an application called Total
Service, and he installed the MSDE from the Total Service
installation CD instead of using what was in SBS.

Now the setup wizard will not run for me to re-install monitoring.

How can I figure out what version of MSDE is running? I found a
suggestion to run "select @@version" but it does not tell me
**where** to run it. I am a SQL dunce.

How can I install the proper version of MSDE, and if I do, will it
kill the current version? Or should I recommend a complete rebuild
of the server, since I do not know what else this bright-eyed
genius has done?

Thank you for the help!

Gregg Hill
















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