Re: Exchange smarthost for SBC ADSL users
- From: "Justin - synacs" <jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 18 Aug 2006 20:20:23 -0700
Chris,
I'm having no luck forwwarding through smarthost. My SMTPSVC logfiles
are a tad confusing too. Here's a sample:
***********
#Software: Microsoft Internet Information Services 6.0
#Version: 1.0
#Date: 2006-08-19 01:46:44
#Fields: s-computername s-ip s-port cs-method cs-uri-query sc-status
sc-bytes time-taken
SBSServer - 25 - 220+smtp-auth.no-ip.com+ESMTP 0 29 31
SBSServer - 25 EHLO <companyname.com> 0 4 47
SBSServer - 25 - 250-smtp-auth.no-ip.com 0 23 78
SBSServer - 25 AUTH - 0 4 78
SBSServer - 25 - 334+UGFy<base64/username>limQ6 0 16 109
SBSServer - 25 - 235+Authentication+successful 0 29 188
SBSServer - 25 QUIT - 0 4 313
SBSServer - 25 - 221+Bye 0 7 344
#Software: Microsoft Internet Information Services 6.0
#Version: 1.0
#Date: 2006-08-19 02:32:34
#Fields: s-computername s-ip s-port cs-method cs-uri-query sc-status
sc-bytes time-taken
SBSServer - 25 - 220+smtp-auth.no-ip.com+ESMTP 0 29 31
SBSServer - 25 EHLO <companyname.com> 0 4 31
SBSServer - 25 - 250-smtp-auth.no-ip.com 0 23 62
SBSServer - 25 AUTH - 0 4 62
SBSServer - 25 - 334+UGFy<base64/username>limQ6 0 16 94
SBSServer - 25 - 235+Authentication+successful 0 29 187
SBSServer - 25 QUIT - 0 4 281
SBSServer - 25 - 221+Bye 0 7 312
*************
Authentication successful, then QUIT? What's that about?
BTW, I switched to a 3rd party smarthost, so I can't point to SBC as
the cause. Wish I knew what it was.
Cris Hanna (SBS-MVP) wrote:
my suggestion would be to have all mail go through one connection...if its the smart host...so be it
Dean, Time Warner doesn't have a stipulation in their Terms of Service?
--
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
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"Dean Collins" <collins_dean@"spam-me-here"hotmail.com> wrote in message news:XNoFg.8746$rI5.3020@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I use No-ip. I'm on a residential 8mb cable service.
I use Time Warners smtp as my smarthost and it works fine.
email is delivered to my 3 domains via dns no probs.
let me know if you think I can help you further but be aware I pretty much configured it as default so not sure how much more help I can be.
Cheers,
Dean
"Cris Hanna (SBS-MVP)" <crisnospamhanna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23Wifo5vwGHA.4616@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I have a Mindspring dial up account which is one of Earthlink's domain. But my Server/workstations are connected via static IP and charter business cable (btw I pay only 80/month for 3mb/down 384 up and 4 static IPs. If I can afford that...they can) so for a while I sent all mail out through Earthlink's SMTP mail server as a smart host using my dialup credentials...but my mail came from my domain email address. And just to be safe I included mindspring and eartlink as part of my spf record.
So what you are trying should work
I have no knowledge of no-ip service or what they offer, but the two I mentioned are very sbs friendly and it should do the trick. But if the customer is running residential service and SBC finds them running a mail server...they will cut the service in a heart beat ( I worked SBC's Tier 2 DSL Help Desk for 5 days...trust me)
--
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
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"Justin - synacs" <jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:1155927917.102767.212860@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
1.
I haven't looked at their phone bill, but it seems like residential
grade service at their business address. I agree a static IP would be
ideal, and that's probably what we'll end up doing, set them up the
right way. This client is "on a budget" but so is everybody, right?
2.
I thought No IP was in fact a Dynamic DNS service. Maybe I'm wrong
there. The reason for the second connector is that I didn't want the
smarthost to dictate the maximum recipients figure, which is I believe
around 30 at the present. That's when they send from Outlook directly
to the ISP SMTP server.
I used their original username/password in attempting the smarthost
connector. The SBC mail server allows us to login as
"company@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" and send e-mails as "user@xxxxxxxxxxx", and I
was trying to extend that functionality to the connector.
Cris Hanna (SBS-MVP) wrote:
> you should be looking at a couple of options
> 1. Moving to a static IP. Would I be correct in assuming you are using SBC's residential DSL service for your SBS network?? If thats the case are you aware that you are probably in violation of their terms of service? Most Cable/DSL providers specifically prohibit running email and webservers on their networks.
>
> 2. Look at a true Dynamic DNS solution. TZO.org or DynDNS.org. That way you can have the correct DNS records
>
> Without seeing the specific's of your setup, There may be issues with the second connector or the first and second may not be interacting correctly...not sure.
>
> Why not send everything through one connector?
>
> Are you trying to use multiple user names and passwords for the smarthost?
>
> --
> Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
> --------------------------------------
> Please do not respond directly to me, but only post in the newsgroup so all can take advantage
> "Justin - synacs" <jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:1155919201.781140.277860@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Thanks for your reply, Cris.
>
> The dynamic IP address prevents us from using PTR and SPF records.
> Unless there is a 3rd party solution to this. We did use a 3rd party
> (No IP) that resolves a generic company.no-ip.com host name to the
> public IP address, and then we have a CNAME/alias that resolves
> internal.company.com to company.no-ip.com. This makes RWW available
> consistently, which is great.
>
> About the smarthost, yes I used their username@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and
> password via basic authentication. I re-entered that several times,
> thinking I must have mistyped the password. The same logon works in
> Outlook, with standard port 25 and no SPA/TLS.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cris Hanna (SBS-MVP) wrote:
> > what prevents you from creating the PTR/Reverse DNS and SPF records
> >
> > Are you saying that SBC Global is the smart host? Are you supplying the user name and password for the account being used to send mail out?
> >
> > --
> > Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
> > --------------------------------------
> > Please do not respond directly to me, but only post in the newsgroup so all can take advantage
> > "Justin - synacs" <jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > The SMTP server in question is the one used in Outlook, in order to get
> > outgoing mail from the sender to the recipient.
> >
> > This same server, when entered as a smart host, does not forward mail
> > to its recipient. It appears to blackhole every e-mail, as the messages
> > leave the Outlook client and wind up in Sent Items. They also appear to
> > leave the Exchange server, as they can't be found in the Message
> > Tracking Center in ESM. However, no matter what the domain, they are
> > not delivered to the external recipient. No Non-Delivery Report is seen
> > by the sender.
> >
> > Has anyone made the smarthost work on SBC? Routing via DNS works for
> > some domains, but since we can't implemenet a PTR record, they are
> > bound to have problems with AOL and comcast addresses. Not to mention
> > sbcglobal.
> >
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> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>what prevents you from creating the PTR/Reverse DNS
> > and SPF records</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Are you saying that SBC Global is the smart
> > host? Are you supplying the user name and password for the account
> > being used to send mail out?</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna
> > [SBS-MVP]<BR>--------------------------------------<BR>Please do not respond
> > directly to me, but only post in the newsgroup so all can take advantage</DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE
> > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV>"Justin - synacs" <<A
> > href="mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx";>jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>> wrote in message <A
> > href="news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...</DIV>The
> > SMTP server in question is the one used in Outlook, in order to
> > get<BR>outgoing mail from the sender to the recipient.<BR><BR>This same
> > server, when entered as a smart host, does not forward mail<BR>to its
> > recipient. It appears to blackhole every e-mail, as the messages<BR>leave the
> > Outlook client and wind up in Sent Items. They also appear to<BR>leave the
> > Exchange server, as they can't be found in the Message<BR>Tracking Center in
> > ESM. However, no matter what the domain, they are<BR>not delivered to the
> > external recipient. No Non-Delivery Report is seen<BR>by the
> > sender.<BR><BR>Has anyone made the smarthost work on SBC? Routing via DNS
> > works for<BR>some domains, but since we can't implemenet a PTR record, they
> > are<BR>bound to have problems with AOL and comcast addresses. Not to
> > mention<BR>sbcglobal.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >
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> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>you should be looking at a couple of
> options</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. Moving to a static IP. Would I be
> correct in assuming you are using SBC's residential DSL service for your SBS
> network?? If thats the case are you aware that you are probably in
> violation of their terms of service? Most Cable/DSL providers
> specifically prohibit running email and webservers on their
> networks.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. Look at a true Dynamic DNS solution.
> TZO.org or DynDNS.org. That way you can
> have the correct DNS records</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Without seeing the specific's of your setup, There
> may be issues with the second connector or the first and second may not be
> interacting correctly...not sure.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Why not send everything through one
> connector?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Are you trying to use multiple user names and
> passwords for the smarthost?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna
> [SBS-MVP]<BR>--------------------------------------<BR>Please do not respond
> directly to me, but only post in the newsgroup so all can take advantage</DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE
> style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Justin - synacs" <<A
> href="mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx";>jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>> wrote in message <A
> href="news:1155919201.781140.277860@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:1155919201.781140.277860@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...</DIV>Thanks
> for your reply, Cris.<BR><BR>The dynamic IP address prevents us from using PTR
> and SPF records.<BR>Unless there is a 3rd party solution to this. We did
> use a 3rd party<BR>(No IP) that resolves a generic company.no-ip.com host name
> to the<BR>public IP address, and then we have a CNAME/alias that
> resolves<BR>internal.company.com to company.no-ip.com. This makes RWW
> available<BR>consistently, which is great.<BR><BR>About the smarthost, yes I
> used their <A href="mailto:username@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>username@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
> and<BR>password via basic authentication. I re-entered that several
> times,<BR>thinking I must have mistyped the password. The same logon works
> in<BR>Outlook, with standard port 25 and no
> SPA/TLS.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Cris Hanna (SBS-MVP) wrote:<BR>> what
> prevents you from creating the PTR/Reverse DNS and SPF records<BR>><BR>>
> Are you saying that SBC Global is the smart host? Are you
> supplying the user name and password for the account being used to send mail
> out?<BR>><BR>> --<BR>> Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]<BR>>
> --------------------------------------<BR>> Please do not respond directly
> to me, but only post in the newsgroup so all can take
> advantage<BR>> "Justin - synacs" <<A
> href="mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx";>jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>> wrote in message <A
> href="news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...<BR>>
> The SMTP server in question is the one used in Outlook, in order to
> get<BR>> outgoing mail from the sender to the
> recipient.<BR>><BR>> This same server, when entered as a
> smart host, does not forward mail<BR>> to its recipient. It
> appears to blackhole every e-mail, as the messages<BR>> leave
> the Outlook client and wind up in Sent Items. They also appear
> to<BR>> leave the Exchange server, as they can't be found in
> the Message<BR>> Tracking Center in ESM. However, no matter
> what the domain, they are<BR>> not delivered to the external
> recipient. No Non-Delivery Report is seen<BR>> by the
> sender.<BR>><BR>> Has anyone made the smarthost work on SBC?
> Routing via DNS works for<BR>> some domains, but since we can't
> implemenet a PTR record, they are<BR>> bound to have problems
> with AOL and comcast addresses. Not to mention<BR>>
> sbcglobal.<BR>><BR>> ------=_NextPart_000_07BC_01C6C2B6.13916550<BR>>
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1<BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding:
> quoted-printable<BR>> X-Google-AttachSize: 2159<BR>><BR>>
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> <HTML><HEAD><BR>> <META http-equiv=Content-Type
> content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><BR>> <META content="MSHTML
> 6.00.2900.2963" name=GENERATOR><BR>> <STYLE></STYLE><BR>>
> </HEAD><BR>> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff><BR>> <DIV><FONT
> face=Arial size=2>what prevents you from creating the PTR/Reverse
> DNS<BR>> and SPF records</FONT></DIV><BR>>
> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
> size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT
> face=Arial size=2>Are you saying that SBC Global is the smart<BR>>
> host?&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you supplying the user name and password for the
> account<BR>> being used to send mail out?</FONT></DIV><BR>>
> <DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna<BR>>
> [SBS-MVP]<BR>--------------------------------------<BR>Please do
> not respond<BR>> directly to me, but only post in the newsgroup so all can
> take advantage</DIV><BR>> <BLOCKQUOTE<BR>>
> style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>>
> <DIV>"Justin - synacs" &lt;<A<BR>> href="<A
> href='mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx";>jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt'>mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx">jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt</A>;
> wrote in message <A<BR>> href="<A
> href='news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...</DIV>The'>news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx">news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...</DIV>The</A><BR>>
> SMTP server in question is the one used in Outlook, in order
> to<BR>> get<BR>outgoing mail from the sender to the
> recipient.<BR><BR>This same<BR>> server, when
> entered as a smart host, does not forward mail<BR>to
> its<BR>> recipient. It appears to blackhole every e-mail, as
> the messages<BR>leave the<BR>> Outlook client and wind up
> in Sent Items. They also appear to<BR>leave the<BR>>
> Exchange server, as they can't be found in the Message<BR>Tracking
> Center in<BR>> ESM. However, no matter what the domain, they
> are<BR>not delivered to the<BR>> external recipient. No
> Non-Delivery Report is seen<BR>by the<BR>>
> sender.<BR><BR>Has anyone made the smarthost work on SBC? Routing
> via DNS<BR>> works for<BR>some domains, but since we
> can't implemenet a PTR record, they<BR>> are<BR>bound to
> have problems with AOL and comcast addresses. Not to<BR>>
> mention<BR>sbcglobal.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><BR>>
> <BR>>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>my suggestion would be to have all mail go through
one connection...if its the smart host...so be it</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dean, Time Warner doesn't have a stipulation in
their Terms of Service?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna
[SBS-MVP]<BR>--------------------------------------<BR>Please do not respond
directly to me, but only post in the newsgroup so all can take advantage</DIV>
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Dean Collins" <<A
href='mailto:collins_dean@"spam-me-here"hotmail.com'>collins_dean@"spam-me-here"hotmail.com</A>>
wrote in message <A
href="news:XNoFg.8746$rI5.3020@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:XNoFg.8746$rI5.3020@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I use No-ip. I'm on a residential 8mb cable
service.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I use Time Warners smtp as my smarthost and it
works fine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>email is delivered to my 3 domains via dns no
probs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>let me know if you think I can help you further
but be aware I pretty much configured it as default so not sure how much more
help I can be.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dean</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Cris Hanna (SBS-MVP)" <<A
href="mailto:crisnospamhanna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>crisnospamhanna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>>
wrote in message <A
href="news:%23Wifo5vwGHA.4616@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:%23Wifo5vwGHA.4616@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have a Mindspring dial up account which is
one of Earthlink's domain. But my Server/workstations are
connected via static IP and charter business cable (btw I pay only 80/month
for 3mb/down 384 up and 4 static IPs. If I can afford
that...they can) so for a while I sent all mail out
through Earthlink's SMTP mail server as a smart host using my dialup
credentials...but my mail came from my domain email
address. And just to be safe I included mindspring and
eartlink as part of my spf record.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So what you are trying should work</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have no knowledge of no-ip service or what
they offer, but the two I mentioned are very sbs friendly and it should do
the trick. But if the customer is running residential service
and SBC finds them running a mail server...they will cut the service in a
heart beat ( I worked SBC's Tier 2 DSL Help Desk for 5
days...trust me)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna
[SBS-MVP]<BR>--------------------------------------<BR>Please do not respond
directly to me, but only post in the newsgroup so all can take
advantage</DIV>
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Justin - synacs" <<A
href="mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx";>jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>> wrote in message
<A
href="news:1155927917.102767.212860@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:1155927917.102767.212860@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...</DIV>1.<BR>I
haven't looked at their phone bill, but it seems like residential<BR>grade
service at their business address. I agree a static IP would be<BR>ideal,
and that's probably what we'll end up doing, set them up the<BR>right way.
This client is "on a budget" but so is everybody, right?<BR><BR>2.<BR>I
thought No IP was in fact a Dynamic DNS service. Maybe I'm wrong<BR>there.
The reason for the second connector is that I didn't want the<BR>smarthost
to dictate the maximum recipients figure, which is I believe<BR>around 30
at the present. That's when they send from Outlook directly<BR>to the ISP
SMTP server.<BR><BR>I used their original username/password in attempting
the smarthost<BR>connector. The SBC mail server allows us to login
as<BR>"<A href="mailto:company@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>company@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>"
and send e-mails as "<A
href="mailto:user@xxxxxxxxxxx";>user@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>", and I<BR>was trying
to extend that functionality to the connector.<BR><BR><BR>Cris Hanna
(SBS-MVP) wrote:<BR>> you should be looking at a couple of
options<BR>> 1. Moving to a static IP. Would I be correct
in assuming you are using SBC's residential DSL service for your SBS
network?? If thats the case are you aware that you are probably in
violation of their terms of service? Most Cable/DSL providers
specifically prohibit running email and webservers on their
networks.<BR>><BR>> 2. Look at a true Dynamic DNS
solution. TZO.org or
DynDNS.org. That way you can have the correct DNS
records<BR>><BR>> Without seeing the specific's of your setup, There
may be issues with the second connector or the first and second may not be
interacting correctly...not sure.<BR>><BR>> Why not send everything
through one connector?<BR>><BR>> Are you trying to use multiple user
names and passwords for the smarthost?<BR>><BR>> --<BR>> Cris
Hanna [SBS-MVP]<BR>> --------------------------------------<BR>>
Please do not respond directly to me, but only post in the newsgroup so
all can take advantage<BR>> "Justin - synacs" <<A
href="mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx";>jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>> wrote in message
<A
href="news:1155919201.781140.277860@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:1155919201.781140.277860@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...<BR>>
Thanks for your reply, Cris.<BR>><BR>> The dynamic IP
address prevents us from using PTR and SPF records.<BR>>
Unless there is a 3rd party solution to this. We did use a 3rd
party<BR>> (No IP) that resolves a generic
company.no-ip.com host name to the<BR>> public IP address,
and then we have a CNAME/alias that resolves<BR>>
internal.company.com to company.no-ip.com. This makes RWW
available<BR>> consistently, which is
great.<BR>><BR>> About the smarthost, yes I used their
<A href="mailto:username@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>username@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
and<BR>> password via basic authentication. I re-entered
that several times,<BR>> thinking I must have mistyped the
password. The same logon works in<BR>> Outlook, with
standard port 25 and no
SPA/TLS.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Cris
Hanna (SBS-MVP) wrote:<BR>> > what prevents you from
creating the PTR/Reverse DNS and SPF records<BR>>
><BR>> > Are you saying that SBC Global is the smart
host? Are you supplying the user name and password for the
account being used to send mail out?<BR>>
><BR>> > --<BR>> > Cris Hanna
[SBS-MVP]<BR>> >
--------------------------------------<BR>> > Please do
not respond directly to me, but only post in the newsgroup so all can take
advantage<BR>> > "Justin - synacs" <<A
href="mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx";>jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>> wrote in message
<A
href="news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...<BR>>
> The SMTP server in question is the one used in Outlook,
in order to get<BR>> > outgoing mail from
the sender to the recipient.<BR>> ><BR>>
> This same server, when entered as a smart host, does not
forward mail<BR>> > to its recipient. It
appears to blackhole every e-mail, as the messages<BR>>
> leave the Outlook client and wind up in Sent Items. They
also appear to<BR>> > leave the Exchange
server, as they can't be found in the Message<BR>>
> Tracking Center in ESM. However, no matter what the
domain, they are<BR>> > not delivered to the
external recipient. No Non-Delivery Report is seen<BR>>
> by the sender.<BR>>
><BR>> > Has anyone made the smarthost
work on SBC? Routing via DNS works for<BR>>
> some domains, but since we can't implemenet a PTR record,
they are<BR>> > bound to have problems with
AOL and comcast addresses. Not to mention<BR>>
> sbcglobal.<BR>> ><BR>>
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face=Arial size=2>what prevents you from creating the PTR/Reverse
DNS<BR>> > and SPF
records</FONT></DIV><BR>> >
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>> >
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Are you saying that SBC Global is
the smart<BR>> > host?&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you
supplying the user name and password for the account<BR>>
> being used to send mail
out?</FONT></DIV><BR>> >
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna<BR>> >
[SBS-MVP]<BR>--------------------------------------<BR>Please
do not respond<BR>> > directly to me, but only post in
the newsgroup so all can take advantage</DIV><BR>>
> <BLOCKQUOTE<BR>> > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px;
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MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> >
<DIV>"Justin - synacs" &lt;<A<BR>>
> href="<A
href='mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx";>jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt'>mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx">jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt</A>;
wrote in message <A<BR>> > href="<A
href='news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...</DIV>The'>news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx">news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...</DIV>The</A><BR>>
> SMTP server in question is the one used in Outlook, in
order to<BR>> > get<BR>outgoing mail
from the sender to the recipient.<BR><BR>This
same<BR>> > server, when entered as a smart
host, does not forward mail<BR>to its<BR>>
> recipient. It appears to blackhole every e-mail, as the
messages<BR>leave the<BR>> > Outlook
client and wind up in Sent Items. They also appear to<BR>leave
the<BR>> > Exchange server, as they can't be
found in the Message<BR>Tracking Center in<BR>>
> ESM. However, no matter what the domain, they
are<BR>not delivered to the<BR>> >
external recipient. No Non-Delivery Report is seen<BR>by
the<BR>> > sender.<BR><BR>Has
anyone made the smarthost work on SBC? Routing via DNS<BR>>
> works for<BR>some domains, but since we can't
implemenet a PTR record, they<BR>> >
are<BR>bound to have problems with AOL and comcast addresses. Not
to<BR>> >
mention<BR>sbcglobal.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><BR>>
><BR>> >
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>you should be looking at a couple
of<BR>> options</FONT></DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>1. Moving to a static IP.&nbsp;&nbsp; Would I
be<BR>> correct in assuming you are using SBC's residential DSL service
for your SBS<BR>> network??&nbsp; If thats the case are you aware
that you are probably in<BR>> violation of their terms of
service?&nbsp;&nbsp; Most Cable/DSL providers<BR>> specifically
prohibit running email and webservers on their<BR>>
networks.</FONT></DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>2. Look at a true Dynamic DNS
solution.&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>> TZO.org&nbsp;&nbsp;
or&nbsp;&nbsp;DynDNS.org.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; That way
you can<BR>> have the correct DNS
records</FONT></DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Without seeing the specific's of your setup,
There<BR>> may be issues with the second connector or the first and
second may not be<BR>> interacting correctly...not
sure.</FONT></DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Why not send everything through one<BR>>
connector?</FONT></DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Are you trying to use multiple user names and<BR>>
passwords for the smarthost?</FONT></DIV><BR>>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna<BR>>
[SBS-MVP]<BR>--------------------------------------<BR>Please
do not respond<BR>> directly to me, but only post in the newsgroup so
all can take advantage</DIV><BR>> <BLOCKQUOTE<BR>>
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>>
<DIV>"Justin - synacs" &lt;<A<BR>> href="<A
href='mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx";>jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt'>mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx">jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt</A>;
wrote in message <A<BR>> href="<A
href='news:1155919201.781140.277860@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:1155919201.781140.277860@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...</DIV>Thanks'>news:1155919201.781140.277860@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx">news:1155919201.781140.277860@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...</DIV>Thanks</A><BR>>
for your reply, Cris.<BR><BR>The dynamic IP address prevents
us from using PTR<BR>> and SPF records.<BR>Unless
there is a 3rd party solution&nbsp; to this. We
did<BR>> use a 3rd party<BR>(No IP) that resolves a
generic company.no-ip.com host name<BR>> to
the<BR>public IP address, and then we have a CNAME/alias
that<BR>> resolves<BR>internal.company.com to
company.no-ip.com. This makes RWW<BR>>
available<BR>consistently, which is great.<BR><BR>About
the smarthost, yes I<BR>> used their <A href="<A
href='mailto:username@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>username@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A'>mailto:username@xxxxxxxxxxxxx">username@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A</A>><BR>>
and<BR>password via basic authentication. I re-entered that
several<BR>> times,<BR>thinking I must have mistyped
the password. The same logon works<BR>>
in<BR>Outlook, with standard port 25 and no<BR>>
SPA/TLS.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Cris
Hanna (SBS-MVP) wrote:<BR>&gt; what<BR>> prevents
you from creating the PTR/Reverse DNS and SPF
records<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>> Are you
saying that SBC Global is the smart host?&nbsp;&nbsp; Are
you<BR>> supplying the user name and password for the
account being used to send mail<BR>>
out?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; --<BR>&gt; Cris Hanna
[SBS-MVP]<BR>&gt;<BR>>
--------------------------------------<BR>&gt; Please do not
respond directly<BR>> to me, but only post in the newsgroup
so all can take<BR>>
advantage<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Justin - synacs"
&lt;<A<BR>> href="<A
href='mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx";>jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt'>mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx">jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>&gt</A>;
wrote in message <A<BR>> href="<A
href='news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp'>news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx">news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp</A>;<BR>>
The SMTP server in question is the one used in Outlook, in order
to<BR>> get<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; outgoing
mail from the sender to the<BR>>
recipient.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; This
same server, when entered as a<BR>> smart host, does not
forward mail<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; to its recipient.
It<BR>> appears to blackhole every e-mail, as the
messages<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; leave<BR>>
the Outlook client and wind up in Sent Items. They also
appear<BR>> to<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; leave
the Exchange server, as they can't be found in<BR>> the
Message<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tracking Center in ESM.
However, no matter<BR>> what the domain, they
are<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; not delivered to the
external<BR>> recipient. No Non-Delivery Report is
seen<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; by the<BR>>
sender.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Has anyone
made the smarthost work on SBC?<BR>> Routing via DNS works
for<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; some domains, but since we
can't<BR>> implemenet a PTR record, they
are<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; bound to have
problems<BR>> with AOL and comcast addresses. Not to
mention<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>>
sbcglobal.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;
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Transitional//EN"&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>>
&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;<BR>&gt; &lt;META
http-equiv=Content-Type<BR>> content="text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1"&gt;<BR>&gt; &lt;META
content="MSHTML<BR>> 6.00.2900.2963"
name=GENERATOR&gt;<BR>&gt;
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bgColor=#ffffff&gt;<BR>&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;FONT<BR>> face=Arial
size=2&gt;what prevents you from creating the
PTR/Reverse<BR>> DNS<BR>&gt; and SPF
records&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>>
&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;FONT face=Arial<BR>>
size=2&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&gt;
&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;FONT<BR>> face=Arial
size=2&gt;Are you saying that SBC Global is the
smart<BR>&gt;<BR>>
host?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Are you supplying the user name and
password for the<BR>> account<BR>&gt; being used
to send mail
out?&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>>
&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR&gt;-- &lt;BR&gt;Cris
Hanna<BR>&gt;<BR>>
[SBS-MVP]&lt;BR&gt;--------------------------------------&lt;BR&gt;Please
do<BR>> not respond<BR>&gt; directly to me, but
only post in the newsgroup so all can<BR>> take
advantage&lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&gt;
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE<BR>&gt;<BR>>
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT:<BR>> #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT:
0px"&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>>
&lt;DIV&gt;"Justin - synacs"
&amp;lt;&lt;A<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;
href="<A<BR>>
href='mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx">jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx</A>&amp;gt'>mailto:jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx"&gt;jcbrown@xxxxxxxxx&lt;/A&gt;&amp;gt</A>;<BR>>
wrote in message &lt;A<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;
href="<A<BR>>
href='news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx">news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>...</DIV>The'>news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"&gt;news:1155916716.784888.302770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&lt;/A&gt;...&lt;/DIV&gt;The</A><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>>
SMTP server in question is the one used in Outlook, in
order<BR>> to<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;
get&lt;BR&gt;outgoing mail from the sender to
the<BR>> recipient.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;This
same<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; server,
when<BR>> entered as a smart host, does not forward
mail&lt;BR&gt;to<BR>>
its<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; recipient. It appears to
blackhole every e-mail, as<BR>> the
messages&lt;BR&gt;leave the<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Outlook client and wind up<BR>> in Sent Items. They also
appear to&lt;BR&gt;leave
the<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>> Exchange
server, as they can't be found in the
Message&lt;BR&gt;Tracking<BR>> Center
in<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; ESM. However, no matter what the
domain, they<BR>> are&lt;BR&gt;not delivered to
the<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; external recipient.
No<BR>> Non-Delivery Report is seen&lt;BR&gt;by
the<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>>
sender.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Has anyone made the smarthost
work on SBC? Routing<BR>> via
DNS<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; works for&lt;BR&gt;some
domains, but since we<BR>> can't implemenet a PTR record,
they<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; are&lt;BR&gt;bound
to<BR>> have problems with AOL and comcast addresses. Not
to<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>>
mention&lt;BR&gt;sbcglobal.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>>
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