Re: Sharepoint External Users

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your update. Many thanks for SuperGumby's input.

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From: "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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the gist of recent discussion about licensing and external user access
(external users who are not covered by internal use CALs) suggests, in a
very grey manner, that you must have enough CALs for your internal users
(either 'user' or 'device') and enough CALs of 'user' type to cover the
number of concurrent external users who are not covered by 'internal' CALs.

Maybe an example will help:

SBS base CALs (5 CALs included)
I have 2 PC's in use by many people, 2 device CALs.
I have 3 people who use many devices, 3 user CALs.
Included CALs accounted/assigned.

I wish to allow access to an authenticated process on SBS2003. It is
authenticated therefore CALs are necessary (unauthenticated access does
not
require CALs). It does not matter what mechanism is used for
authentication
(I used to believe it was authentication against AD, I no longer think
this
is correct).

I am going to allow authenticated access from 3000 people using any
device,
but only 5 of those people at a time will be allowed to authenticate. I
need
5 SBS 'user' CALs.

I get a headache when I think about the control mechanisms for this, you
see
this scenario allows 8 external users to be authenticated, 5 'external'
users plus my 3 'internal' users (via their 'user' CAL) when they are
outside. Will the devoper of the web application provide a mechanism in
their application(s) to say DO/DON'T count this authentication against my
'concurrent sessions' based on whether the account is covered by an SBS
'user' (as against 'device') CAL? I doubt it. SBS can't count CALs, how
can
I expect my web developer to do something MS can't be bothered addressing?

Say I need two different web applications, from different vendors. Will
they
provide a mechanism that allows the 'concurrent connections' aggregated
across the applications to not exceed my 'allowance', I doubt it.

I don't even know if this is correct. It is my current interpretation.


"Steve S" <s.stogrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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This is in the FAQ link you listed

Q. Are Windows Small Business Server 2003 CALs (whether per user or
per device) by concurrent connections?

A. No, CALs are per user or per device. They are not concurrent.



Also We want to set this up in a way that will not require CALs the
company is a construction company and want to provide files on a per job
basis to outside contractors, architects and such. We were thinking of
put another server on the network with Server 2003 web edition, could we
then consume 1 device CAL to connect to the internal sharepoint and
replicate it to another sharepoint install on the web edition serverr?

Thanks
Steve

""Jenny wu [MSFT]"" <v-yanniw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi Steve,

Thanks for using the SBS newsgroup. Also thanks for Mark's input.

From your description, I understand that you want to publish the
Companyweb
site to internet and let external users to access it and you want to
know
how many CALs you need buy for these external users. If I am off base,
please don't hesitate to let me know.

Since the Sharepoint services that are installed on SBS 2003 server box
are
integrated with SBS 2003, we need not buy additional Sharepoint
licensing
for Sharepoint users. All Sharepoint users must be users in domain. In
other word, if the external users want to access your Sharepoint site,
they
must have user name and password in your domain. How many users or
computer
need logon to domain concurrent (including access the Sharepoint site),
you
need the least number of CALs.

More information:

Both editions of Windows Small Business Server 2003 have two types of
Client Access Licenses (CALs) to choose from: device-based (device
CALs)
or
user-based (user CALs). These options offer you the flexibility to
choose
the licensing that best suits the needs of your organization.

A device CAL permits one device (used by any user) to access the server
software. Yes, as you known, SBS domain users can logon to domain from
that
one PC that has device CAL. And it doesn't matter which users use the
computer. You can create exchange accounts for all users, but they must
access mailbox information from the computer.

A user CAL permits one user (using any device) to access the server
software. How many users or computer need logon to domain concurrent,
you
need the least number of CALs. This type CAL, you can logon to domain
from
any computers.

Microsoft offers both user and device CALs for Windows Small Business
Server 2003 to ensure that customers can implement a licensing plan that
enables users to access the network using not only laptops and desktop
computers, but also remote devices such as Pocket PCs and Smartphones.

If you have Software Assurance for your Windows Small Business Server
2003
CALs, you can switch between user CALs and device CALs, or vice versa,
when
you renew your Software Assurance contract. If you do not have Software
Assurance for your Windows Small Business Server 2003 CALs, then you
cannot
switch.

For more detail information, I would like to suggest you contact our
License Office for help. You can call 1-800-426-9400 (select option 4),
Monday through Friday, 6:00 A.M. to 6:00 P.M. (PST) to speak directly
to
a
Microsoft licensing specialist. Worldwide customers can use the Guide to
Worldwide Microsoft Licensing Sites
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/index/worldwide.asp to find contact
information in their locations.

More information about SBS licensing:

Detail price information about the SBS 2003 CAL:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/howtobuy/pricing.mspx

Client Access Licensing for Windows Small Business Server 2003
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/howtobuy/CALs.mspx

Frequently Asked Questions About Windows Small Business Server 2003
Licensing.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo/overview/licensingfa
q.mspx

Hope above information helps! I am happy to be assistance of you!

Have a nice day!

Sincerely,

Jenny Wu
Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
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I guess your refering to sharepoint licensing? Where does it state
this?

"Mark" <mark@*spam*twistedtechnologies.com> wrote in message
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licensing is concurrent so if you ahve 50 users but only 25 work at a
time, you only need 25.
"Steve S" <s.stogrin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I the following Microsoft document it talks about creating external
users
for sharepoint only.



http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=b51dcb25-0c63-4561-
b981-9a3c860b9f15&displaylang=en

Does this require a CAL for each user? If so is there a way to setup
a
sharepoint site with external user access that doesn't consume CALs?
The
Sharepoint Portal Server has an external connector, but it's $30,000.

Thanks
Steve













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