Re: Blackberry or WindowsMobile?

I'm running Blackberry enterprise server vs 4 for exchange and have found it
to work nicely with my SBS 2003 setup.

I' have preferred to use windows mobile devices but my partners all love
their Blackberrys so this was the path of least resistance. The one issue
that is fairly moot with blackberry enterprise server is that it is of
course is pushing all of the exchange info (calendari, tasks, mail etc) to
the blackberry clients, so the amount of data downloaded is most likely very
similar to that of a windows mobile client depending on compression
algorithms.

I do a lot of things with my symbian smartphone but email would not be one
of them as the screen is way too small and there is no pretension of a
keyboard on my particular model



On 3/8/06 8:19 AM, in article #nR#RwsQGHA.4976@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Joel
Robinson" <joel@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Frankly my treo with 15 minute polling is fine for me.

And I am in no hurry to join the microsoft camp on this given bb is serving
my clients' needs perfectly at a known monthly cost.


"Ginny Caughey [MVP]" <ginny.caughey.online@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eKoLotqQGHA.4960@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Joel,

You might want to check on the microsoft.public.pocketpc newsgroup. I'm
pretty sure there are some Canadian MVPs who frequent the group who can
give you a better idea of how much data you'd be using with Push Exchange
email. I'd be surprised if the data volume turns out to be higher than
you're now experiencing. Unlocked WM 5.0 phones are available online.

--
Ginny Caughey
.NET Compact Framework MVP


"Joel Robinson" <joel@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OaRXMikQGHA.3804@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
In Ontario, Rogers aka Robbers offer $100 for 100mb and $7mb overage.
Tony Su claimed 10mb a day for his ppc. So 300mb a month = $1500.

Rogers also offer a 25mb "unlimited" blackberry service - high
compression and less pretty html. Equals about 100mb of normal data
service.

So for my clients, I cannot, offer ppc with the potential for large
bills.

My blackberry clients use the $60 25mb plans without issue although none
surf.

I have the fido $50 unlimited plan (they don't offer it any more). So I
could try the ppc when the w2005 devices come out here but for now, I use
a cheap treo 600 and poll every 15 minutes during the day. Average 15mb
a month with a little surfing of news when i am bored. Looked for
unlocked w2005 units today but not much yet.

But given the design of the microsoft's solution did not address the need
for minimal data transfer (as per my reading of the prelaunch hype), I
don't think I can venture my clients to it until either Ontario prices
change or I have a good feeling for the data transfer amounts. For now,
blackberry does the job well for my clientele. Push mail. Reliable.
Simple.

I got a lot of flack for saying good things about blackberry in the past.
I always stated that my opinions were for my marketplace where data
services are amongst the most expensive in the world. But the various
w2005 cheerleaders never seemed to get that.

Joel in Toronto


"Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]" <les.connor@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message news:ODSviQkQGHA.5092@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Joel,

You must live in Alberta where money is unlimited, (so I hear) ;-).

I am a heavy email user and sync my PPC (wm phone edition 2003) every 15
minutes for 12 hours a day. Fortunately, I live in Manitoba and we pay
zero for the data connection through MTS. I suppose if that weren't the
case, I'd have to be a bit more selective in what I sync, and how often.

It took about 5 minutes to set up the PPC to work with the exchange
server. SBS has a very cool wizard for this.

For the first time in my life, I don't feel nervous without my laptop
and an internet connection ;-). It's far from fun - but in an
emergency - I can even use RDP to get at a customer site.

I keep a fair bit of stuff on the 1 gb sd card - very handy. My
favourite app is Voice Command, which lets me control the device (and
make phone calls) by 'telling' it what to do. I couldn't imagine being
without it.

--
Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
-----------------------------------------------------------
SBS Rocks !
----------------------
"Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and I'll
understand." - Confucius


"Joel Robinson" <joel@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OlMTF7jQGHA.2704@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
There are a number of ways to implement BB service without having to
leave the machine on (which is the desktop redirector software). Even
just forwarding from exchange.

The most critical issue is the cost of the data service plan unless
you have unlimited funds. 200 mb MONTHLY of data in Canada is $1500.
Yes, $1500 so any solution that has pretty data and no compression will
make for an unpleasant surprise. When I last visited this issue, a
W2003/2005 type said 10mb a day was typical on his PPC.

So if not in US, examine the data plan before jumping on the MS
solution.


"Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]" <les.connor@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message news:uybItsjQGHA.2704@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks,

I guess my question would be: we are SBS therefore we have exchange
server. We're not buying another server or any more software, just a
mobile device. Will a blackberry device give us the same level of
access to our exchange mailbox (email, calendar, contacts, etc.) as
the ppc?

note: we do not want to leave our workstation on when we're not there.

--
Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
-----------------------------------------------------------
SBS Rocks !
----------------------
"Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and
I'll understand." - Confucius


"Hywell Herrero" <jstageek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23TlKmljQGHA.2300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Im no longer administrering Exchange or Blackberry Enterprise server,
but with a Blackberry you have access to email, contacts, calendar
and tasks. I never had a chance to play mobile admin with Windows
Mobile 5, but from what i remember pre exchange SP2, and WM3, i didnt
have access to tasks with it.

However the real downside with Blackberry is the cost of Blackberry
Enterprise server, SQL server if you have alot of users, etc.


"Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]"
<les.connor@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eD5afSjQGHA.2276@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
email is hardly everything ;-).

Contacts?
Calendar?
Tasks?

All the stuff you have in your Outlook/Exchange. How much of it can
you actually have access to with Blackberry? (that is a question)


--
Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
-----------------------------------------------------------
SBS Rocks !
----------------------
"Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and
I'll understand." - Confucius


"Ginny Caughey [MVP]" <ginny.caughey.online@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
message news:ucigzKjQGHA.5552@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Andy,

Exchange SP2 provides push email support for Windows Mobile 5.0
devices that have the Messaging and Security Feature Pack (MSFP).
This would be functionally similar to having Blackberry support,
but it's not the same thing since you also have all the
functionality of Windows Mobile devices. If you want a device
similar in form factor to Blackberries, you might consider the Palm
Treo700w, which is only available from Verizon in the US at the
moment. My favorite GSM device is the i-Mate K-Jam, and i-Mate has
already made the MSFP upgrade available on their website. The K-Jam
is also more ergonomic for composing email in my opinion, but the
Treo700w is also a nice device. Sprint also has a nice Windows
Mobile 5.0 PocketPC phone available that some of my employees use
and like. I think it's the Sprint 6700.

If you're set on supporting actual Blackberry devices, I believe
that requires a different (and dedicated) server, but I don't have
any experience with that. You should probably contact RIM for
details.

--
Ginny Caughey
.NET Compact Framework MVP


"Andrew Vital" <AndrewVital@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
message news:09382348-527C-47AE-8CB6-8684E40C1AE1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Im looking to add some mobile devices. I know the Exchange SP2 was
supposed
to add improved functionality and blackberry support. I know
windows mobile
devices work perfectly with Exchange, but how are Blackberries
doing now?

If i read an email on a BB will it mark it read? How bout if i
delete it on
the BB will it also delete it on the exchange server?

how bout any other pros and cons to either. Any recomendations on
hardware
(for BB or WM). Perhaps a recomendation for an easy to use device
for those
technology challenged people that i'd like to provide this
resource for.
Also an "advanced" device that would satisify my need for the
"best" device i
could get.

Thanks!
- Andy



















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