Re: Is this a 3-Leg Perimeter scenario?

Crina,

The error message that I refer to (for content, see my first post in this
thread; it appears twice - one for each network device) appears every time
the Firewall service is restarted. It does not prevent me from accessing the
FTP server.

As I posted before, I was able to access the FTP server following your
instructions for changes to the client, but did not really want to have
these changes on the clients, hence the changes were made to the SBS
instead.

Many thanks for your help.

Richard

""Crina Li"" <v-crinal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi Richard,

Thanks for your update,

As I know, if you configure SBS as you mentioned, the traffic will also go
to ISA firstly but not directly to go to the 192.168.16.9 and ISA will
general the error message. Do you mean the error message do not affect the
access to the FTP server? Also would you please help me double confirm if
it will not work after enabling Firewall Client based on the worked
suggestion I have provide in the previous reply?

I appreciate your time and look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,

Crina Li (MSFT)

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| Subject: Re: Is this a 3-Leg Perimeter scenario?
| Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:31:50 -0000
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| Crina,
|
| I seem to have fixed the problem, but don't know why, when it appears to
be
| the same configuration as I had it originally before upgrading to ISA
2004
| using the SBS SP1.
|
| So the configuration has ended up as:
|
| No PersisentRoute enrty on the clients; no firewall client disabling; no
IE
| configuration.
|
| PersistentRoute added on the SBS Route Add 10.0.0.0 MASK 255.0.0.0
| 192.168.16.9 -p
|
| 10.0.0.0 - 10.0.0.255 added to the Internal Networks in ISA 2004
|
| However, as originally, I regularly receive the error message regarding
the
| configuration being incorrect (see my first post). I will just have to
live
| with that.
|
| Many thanks again for your presistent help on this matter.
|
| Richard
|
| ""Crina Li"" <v-crinal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| news:fD9AnyILGHA.608@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > Hi Richard,
| >
| > Thanks for your update.
| >
| > Regarding your concern of maintaining logs of web browsing activities,
you
| > could still get the ISA log which maintains logs of web browsing
| > activities
| > even the Firewall Client is disabled. If you do want to enable the
| > Firewall
| > Client, you can do the following steps:
| >
| > 1. Add 10.0.0.x entry to the Internal network object. You can expand
| > Configuration->Networks on ISA 2004 console and then double click
Internal
| > and then add the range on Addresses tab.
| > 2. Install the Firewall Client. You should not have this issue.
| >
| > If you do want to enable the Web Proxy, it is also feasible. You can
do
| > the
| > following steps: (You don't need to do the following steps when you
are
| > not
| > using IE to access the FTP. For example, if you are using third-party
| > software to access FTP, then you do not need to do the step 1)
| >
| > 1. Navigate to Configuration->Networks on ISA 2004 console, double
click
| > the Internal Objects, go to the Web Browser tab, enable the "Bypass
proxy
| > for Web servers in this network" option. Or you could click Add and
add
| > the
| > 10.0.0.0-10.0.0.255 address.
| > 2. Enable Web proxy in IE.
| >
| > In addition, we do not recommend you to add the third NIC on SBS
because
| > changing the whole network topology will be a complex project.
| >
| > The reason why everything could work in ISA 2000 is that ISA 2004 has
| > increased its security level and it will deny traffic which is not
| > synchronized.
| >
| > I am appreciated your time and look forward to hearing from you.
| >
| > Best regards,
| >
| > Crina Li (MSFT)
| >
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| >
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| > | | Subject: Re: Is this a 3-Leg Perimeter scenario?
| > | Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:27:01 -0000
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| > ||
| > | Crina,
| > |
| > | I did try your suggestions and was successful.
| > |
| > | This is what I did.
| > |
| > | Removed any mention of the 10.0.0.x subnet from the ISA 2004
| > configuration
| > |
| > | From command prompt, added the persistentroute using: route add
| > 10.0.0.0
| > | mask 255.255.255.0 192.168.16.9 1 on the client computer
| > |
| > | Disabled the ISA firewall client on the LAN client by opening the
| > configure
| > | option and unticking the check box. Added the SBS internal IP
address
as
| > the
| > | Gateway in the LAN client network properties, and unchecked the
proxy
| > | setting in the IE connections properties.
| > |
| > | That allowed me to browse to 10.0.0.11/ftp as desired. Great!
| > |
| > | But I feel uncertain that I want to have these settings disabled for
| > other
| > | times, as I want to maintain logs of web browsing activities etc.
| > |
| > | As I mentioned originally, the only setting that I had to do when
| > running
| > | under ISA 2000 was to add the persistent route as above to the SBS
| > server
| > | only. Why does this not work with ISA 2004?
| > |
| > | Will the best option be to add a 3rd network card and configure it
that
| > way
| > | with the SmootWall still performing it's duty as a firewall to the
ftp
| > | server, and leave LAN clients as 'normal'?
| > |
| > | Thank you for your patience on this matter.
| > |
| > | Richard
| > |
| > |
| > | ""Crina Li"" <v-crinal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | news:QJxyG8XIGHA.3152@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > Hi Richard,
| > | >
| > | > Thanks for your update.
| > | >
| > | > I have received your e-mail with the Visio drawing and logs. And
the
| > | > previous suggestion I have provided is based on these drawing and
| > logs.
| > | > Have you seen my previous reply? For your reference, I included my
| > | > previous
| > | > reply as following:
| > | >
| > | > ***************************************************************
| > | > From the network diagram, to access the FTP server from the LAN
| > client,
| > | > the
| > | > traffic will NOT be sent to the ISA. The client will know the
static
| > route
| > | > to send the traffic to the hardware. We can try the following:
| > | >
| > | > 1. Add static routes on all LAN client of SBS, you can do so from
| > command
| > | > line.
| > | >
| > | > route add 10.0.0.0 mask 255.255.255.0 192.168.16.9 1
| > | >
| > | > 2. Configure port forwarding on the hardware route. To do so, you
can
| > | > consult the router vendor.
| > | > 3. Please help me confirm why the SmoothWall Firewall and the FTP
| > Server
| > | > have the same IP 10.0.0.11. Do you mean the FTP server is hosted
on
| > the
| > | > Linux Firewall?
| > | > ***************************************************************
| > | >
| > | > From the drawing, to access the FTP use 10.0.0.11 from LAN of SBS,
you
| > | > need
| > | > to control the traffic to not go though ISA but go to SmoothWall
| > directly.
| > | > The error you received indicates that the FTP traffic was still
sent
| > to
| > | > the
| > | > ISA Server instead of the SmoothWall Firewall. In this scenario,
the
| > | > recommended way is bypassing the ISA and let the LAN client
directly
| > send
| > | > the FTP request to the SmoothWall Firewall. To do that, you should
do
| > the
| > | > following steps:
| > | >
| > | > 1. Create static route on each of the client computers. (As you
have
| > | > done).
| > | > 2. On the LAN client, disable Firewall client, disable Web Proxy
| > client,
| > | > enable SecureNAT client. (The default gateway is pointing to the
ISA
| > | > Server's internal interface).
| > | > 3. Re-configure the Internal Network object on the ISA Server. You
| > DONOT
| > | > need to add the 10.0.0.x subnet into the Internal object because
the
| > | > 10.0.0.x subnet has its own gateway for internet access. Please
remove
| > the
| > | > 10.0.0.x entry in the ISA's Internal object and only keep the
| > 192.168.16.x
| > | > subnet. Moreover, please remove the additional static route on the
ISA
| > | > Server which you made before. (Any static route that tells ISA the
| > route
| > | > to
| > | > the 10.0.0.x network).
| > | > 4. Re-configure the SmoothWall Firewall to perform port forwarding
for
| > the
| > | > LAN clients. For detailed steps, please consult the hardware
vendor.
| > You
| > | > need to perform port forwarding for the FTP traffic from
192.168.16.9
| > to
| > | > 10.0.0.11.
| > | > 5. Go to the LAN client, re-access the FTP site via
| > http://10.0.0.11/ftp,
| > | > what's the result? Please attach a screenshot.
| > | > 6. If step 5 failed, can you use the Ftp.exe command-line FTP
client
| > | > program to access the FTP server on the LAN client?
| > | >
| > | > In addition, to isolate the problem and for test purpose, please
| > configure
| > | > a client to point the default gateway to 192.168.16.9, disable
| > firewall
| > | > client, disable web proxy, then access the FTP site via
| > | > http://10.0.0.11/ftp/ (Also use FTP command line). If the problem
| > | > disappears, this should be a routing issue. If the problem
persists,
| > you
| > | > should configure the Hardware Firewall to perform the port forward
for
| > the
| > | > FTP site. (forward traffic from 192.168.16.9 to 10.0.0.11)
| > | >
| > | > Hope it helps.
| > | >
| > | > I am appreciated your time and I look forward to hearing form you.
| > | >
| > | > Best regards,
| > | >
| > | > Crina Li (MSFT)
| > | >
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| > | >
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| > | > | Crina,
| > | > |
| > | > | Many thanks for your reply.
| > | > |
| > | > | 1. I have e-mailed you with a drawing (Visio) as requested.
| > | > | 2. Upon reading my post, I think I may have mislead you. To
access
| > the
| > | > FTP
| > | > | Server, you use the 10.0.0.11 from within the SBS environment
and
| > the
| > | > | SmoothWall firewall allows traffic through via the Orange NIC.
So
I
| > | > would
| > | > | type http://10.0.0.11/ftp/ and that takes me to a Linux web page
| > that
| > | > allows
| > | > | me to set up users, download files etc. I can access the same
FTP
| > Server
| > | > | also by the Public Domain IP address, but it still goes via the
| > | > SmoothWall
| > | > | firewall (via Red to Orange NICs).
| > | > | 3. E-mailed as requested.
| > | > | 4. E-mailed as requested
| > | > |
| > | > | Many thanks
| > | > | Richard
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | ""Crina Li"" <v-crinal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| > | > | news:yedezm$GGHA.3764@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | > Hi Richard,
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Thank you for posting in SBS newsgroup.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > To narrow down the problem, would you please help me collect
the
| > | > following
| > | > | > information?
| > | > | >
| > | > | > 1. The detailed network diagram. You can refer to the attached
| > | > example:
| > | > | >
| > | > | > You can draw the diagram on Word and then send the file to me
at
| > | > | > v-crinal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | >
| > | > | > 2. You said "I can access the SmoothWall via the 192.168.16.9
| > address,
| > | > but
| > | > | > am unable to access the 10.0.0.11 address for either
SmoothWall
or
| > FTP
| > | > | > Server", where are you accessing 10.0.0.11 from? LAN of SBS,
| > internet
| > | > or
| > | > | > FTP server itself?
| > | > | > 3. Please help me collect the route print on SBS.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Input "route print > c:\route.txt" in Command Line
| > | > | >
| > | > | > and then send the route.txt to me.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > 4. Collect Ipconfig/all result form SBS, FTP and the client
you
| > are
| > | > | > accessing 10.0.0.11.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I am appreciated your time to help me collecting the above
| > | > information.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I look forward to hearing from you.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Best regards,
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Crina Li (MSFT)
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
| > | > | >
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| > | > manner.
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| > | > | > different incidents in different threads to keep the thread
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| > In
| > | > | > doing
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| > | > | >
| > | > | > For urgent issues, you may want to contact Microsoft CSS
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| > | > Please
| > | > | > check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone
| > numbers.
| > | > | >
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| > | > | > | From: "Richard Cass" <richardcass_AT_NO_SPAM_micronav.co.uk>
| > | > | > | Subject: Is this a 3-Leg Perimeter scenario?
| > | > | > | Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:34:03 -0000
| > | > | > || Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
| > | > | > ||
| > | > | > | We have recently applied SBS 2003 SP1 and upgraded to ISA
2004.
| > | > | > | We have a Linux based firewall (SmoothWall) supporting a
Linux
| > based
| > | > FTP
| > | > | > server.
| > | > | > | Setup was like this:
| > | > | > | SBS2003 with 2 NICs: fixed IP for Internet Connection NIC.
The
| > | > broadband
| > | > | > modem/router also has a fixed IP .
| > | > | > | FTP Server: HTTP: http://10.0.0.11 FTP: ftp://10.0.0.11/ of
| > | > | > ftp://fixed_IP_for_Internet_Connection_IP (same range as SBS
IC
| > NIC)
| > | > | > | SmoothWall firewall: 3 NICs - internal 192.168.16.9:81
(Green)
| > (same
| > | > | > range as SBS internal); internal 10.0.0.11:81 (orange)
| > | > | > | The previous setup utilised the PersistentRoutes TCPIP
registry
| > | > setting
| > | > | > to allow access to the 10.0.0.11 address, and this worked fine
| > with
| > | > ISA
| > | > | > 2000
| > | > | > | Upon upgrading to ISA 2004, it complained in the Event Log
as
| > | > follows:
| > | > | > | Event Type: Error
| > | > | > | Event Source: Microsoft Firewall
| > | > | > | Event Category: None
| > | > | > | Event ID: 14147
| > | > | > | Date: 30.12.2005
| > | > | > | Time: 15:20:45
| > | > | > | User: N/A
| > | > | > | Computer: <computername>
| > | > | > | Description:
| > | > | > | ISA Server detected routes through adapter Server Local Area
| > | > Connection
| > | > | > that do not correlate with the network element to which this
| > adapter
| > | > | > belongs. For best practice, the address range of an ISA Server
| > network
| > | > | > should match the address ranges routable through the
associated
| > | > network
| > | > | > adapter as defined in the routing table. Otherwise valid
packets
| > may
| > | > be
| > | > | > dropped as spoofed. (This alert may occur momentarily when you
| > create
| > | > a
| > | > | > remote site network. You may safely ignore this message if it
does
| > not
| > | > | > reoccur.) The address ranges in conflict are:
| > | > 10.0.1.0-10.255.255.255;.
| > | > | > | It also had the same error with the Internet Connection NIC
in
| > the
| > | > | > description.
| > | > | > | I have removed the PersistenRoutes entry, which was set as
| > | > | > 10.0.0.0,255.0.0.0, just leaving the data as 192.168.16.9,1
(this
| > was
| > | > | > there
| > | > | > previously). I can access the SmoothWall via the 192.168.16.9
| > address,
| > | > but
| > | > | > am unable to access the 10.0.0.11 address for either
SmoothWall
or
| > FTP
| > | > | > Server (as would be expected normally). The Event Log errors
have
| > | > stopped.
| > | > | > | I do not particularly want to install a 3rd NIC to allow me
| > access
| > | > to
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > 10.0.0.11 address as the FTP Server has its own firewall and
does
| > not
| > | > need
| > | > | > to be behind ISA, but I would appreciate any workaround to
allow
| > me
| > | > this
| > | > | > access.
| > | > | > | Thanks in advance,
| > | > | > | Richard
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