Re: all incoming mail is being blocked
- From: "Gregg Hill" <bogus@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:08:18 -0800
Alan,
Well, based solely on the semantics of that post, it is you who needs to
re-read it.
He did not say what you claim, i.e., "My ISP _and_ SORBS."
What he said was "My ISP ***is*** BT (British Telecom) and SORBS accidently
put their entire range...." The first half of the sentence is merely
informing us who he has for an ISP, "My ISP ***is*** BT (British Telecom)."
The second half, "and SORBS accidently put their entire range" indicates
that it was SORBS alone who listed them accidentally.
The poster further clarified the above by stating "BT have been on to them
but they are being unforgivably slow, removing one or two IPs a day when
there are hundreds that THEY have incorrectly listed."
Now, I do not know who provided that list of IP addresses that got blocked,
but from the information provided by the poster, it appears that SORBS was
not given the list, but acquired it by other means. Can you prove that
British Telecom gave those IP addresses to SORBS and said "block these
addresses"? I was basing my statements upon the information provided by
Chris, the "cmjkeegan" poster.
My Terms Of Use contract with Road Runner Business Class allows me to run
any kind of server on my dynamic IP addresses. I run a mail server and a web
server, I use www.zoneedit.com for my DNS, and I have no problems with it.
It was Chris' statement that "I just find it unbelievable that they could so
easily block so many UK companies from sending mail" that prompted my
response regarding suing. This has nothing to do with DNS propagation. Their
list is not something that takes propagation to undo. It has to do with
inconsiderate people at SORBS not taking immediate action to rectify their
own mistake that is affecting mail to the British Telecom customers. The
SORBS group listed the static IP addresses of British Telecom on accident.
Hey, that happens. My response was in Chris' reference to them not taking
IMMEDIATE action to undo THEIR (SORBS) mistake. Listing someone and stopping
their business from receiving mail is one thing. Refusing to immediately
rectify their own mistake is inexcusable.
Saying "let's sue the anti-spam establishment" is a little foolish. My
reference to suing was made in response to SORBS not taking immediate action
to rectify their own mistake that is affecting mail to all the British
Telecom customers. I would love to see all spammers get hung from trees
along the road, but if an anti-spam group accidentally lists legitimate
addresses, they should immediately respond when notified and unlist those
addresses. They should not lazily sit back and do a few a day. SORBS has the
**responsibility** to immediately correct THEIR mistake.
"(No offense, Mr. Vice President.)" Sweet!!!
Gregg Hill
"ALeghart" <aleghart@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1140020171.492558.58720@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Re-read the post:
"My ISP is BT (British Telecom) and SORBS accidently put their entire
range
of static IP addresses on the dynamic list... "
My ISP _and_ SORBS.
The ISP that provides the list. If RoadRunner is allowing SMTP
outbound traffic from certain of it's dynamic pool, then the ISP
(RoadRunner) should exclude it from the list of prohibited addresses.
The pool addresses provided by the ISPs are for IP addresses that are
prohibited (by their TOU) from sending outbound SMTP traffic.
It has nothing to do with addresses being dynamic. It has to do with
your Terms Of Use contract with your ISP.
Again, if the ISP incorrectly listed "allowed" addresses as
"prohibited", blame the ISP. It is a mistake that will affect users
for several days. So will an incorrect MX record in DNS. I don't hear
anybody threatening to sue for incorrect DNS entries.
Write your complaint to your ISP...whining on the phone or bomarding
support with the same e-mail complaint will not help. They are already
working at the blazing speed of DNS propagation. Letters of complaint
will not make the process any faster, but will emphasize to the ISP
that this is a serious issue that affects businesses operations.
Maintenance activities are prioritized by impact, speed of
implementation, and potential for disruption. Tell your ISP that you
are unhappy with their dropping the ball.
Going into a public discussion forum, such as this, and saying "let's
sue the anti-spam establishment" is a little foolish. Next week, you'll
be posting somewhere else, "why isn't anyone trying to stop all of this
spam?".
There's no easy fix. Some of us have been debating for years on the
responsibilities and methods. The debate goes on...however so does the
prattle about RBLs "blocking my e-mail". Some people will never
understand. Some people choose to shoot before fully understanding how
the system works. (No offense, Mr. Vice President.)
Regards,
Alan
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