Re: SBS Sp 1 Installation steps
- From: kfrost <kris@xxxxxxxxx(donotspam)>
- Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:34:35 -0800
haha, definitely not trying to hurt anybody's feelings or insult anyone, I
used "dummies" because of the success of all the "for dummies" books. I've
bought them before so I'm a dummy as well in some areas. :)
MS uses double talk because they want to sell the product to small business
owners who can't or won't pay consultants like us to come in and set this up
for them. But at the same time they have to be careful in how far the
portray that because they do sell a lot of products through people such as us.
Plus the term has nothing to do with us. Yeah it might mean that a few more
IT consultant wanna be's might get in the business but the flip side of all
these wizards and stuff as you mentioned means it takes a sharp IT consultant
to come in and clean up a mess or figure out a gap these wizards don't fill.
All these wizards are good for the making it easier on people when they work,
but make it harder on us when things don't go so well.
So to be a setup admin who just inserts a CD and follows the prompts, it's
let's say "easied up". But when you get a 403 http error when IE comes up,
or even better yet you want to try and get SBA or something that doesn't mess
well because of this wizard config stuff, the people who don't spend the time
learning what these wizards do behind the scenes find themselves in trouble.
You are right as well, that some make matters worse by letting their egos get
the best of them and start doing things they shouldn't.
Point I was trying to make to the other lady is explain what it is by the
fact you have to XP Sp 2 in place in the client apps to proceed with the
patching. As hard as they try, they aren't going to come up with any wizard
or product that is just perfect for every person in every situation. There
are always going to be trade offs.
BTW, were you at the SBS meeting in CLT? You're name rings a bell.
"Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS M" wrote:
> Perhaps it's simply a case of choosing words, but let's be careful here ;-).
>
> The landscape is littered with the dead - those who thought they were 'too
> smart' or 'knew more' or 'didn't go to school to run no stinkin' wizard'.
> Many of them are highly trained and skilled administrators, having cut their
> teeth in enterprise environments.
>
> I challenge any soul to build a box from non SBS media, and end up with the
> functionality equal to an SBS. Say nothing for the on-going supportability
> or maintenance of the installation. It would be a humbling experience, and
> one that will result in a new appreciation for the configuration tools that
> are provided with SBS (a.k.a. 'the wizards'). In fact, anyone who has the
> skill to even get part way there won't even bother trying.
>
> This product is designed for IT Pro's. MS Marketing is guilty of doublespeak
> on this, and many many non IT Pros self install and maintain SBS. Perhaps
> not efficiently - but the fact that it can even be done by a non IT Pro is
> testimony to how good the wizards are ;-).
>
> --
> Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> SBS Rocks !
> ----------------------
> "Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and I'll
> understand." - Confucius
>
>
> "kfrost" <kris@xxxxxxxxx(donotspam)> wrote in message
> news:19296407-A90C-47B1-9562-3E9341D56835@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Jan,
> >
> > One thing to keep in mind, SBS is a "dummied" up version of Windows 2003
> > and
> > other products combined together at lower prices for obviously small
> > businesses. By "dummied" up I mean they've added all these wizards,
> > trincates to allow more people without much IT experience to use it.
> >
> > The flip side for IT consultant's is the features which are meant to make
> > the product easier to use mean more things for us to figure out when
> > something doesn't work the way it's supposed to. Or in these situations,
> > have to do things that we would tackle a different way. Sure you are
> > responsible and have patch management avenues setup for your clients, but
> > not
> > everybody using Small Business Server is that saavy.
> >
> > In that note, you don't have to run the client Deploy, if you downloaded
> > and
> > installed XP SP 2 then you should have it in the environment and you can
> > just
> > expand it into a directory under client apps, run the two hotfixes
> > mentioned
> > in the install docs and your done.
> >
> > In closing, for the users this product is designed for I'm sure they want
> > to
> > force this to make sure it's on these small businesses' networks and by
> > forcing them to have it available on the server, they are making light of
> > it
> > to users who would never otherwise give SP 2 a thought.
> >
> >
> > --
> > kris@xxxxxxxxx<Remove This Before Emailing>
> >
> > Network & Software Integration
> > www.n-sv.com
> >
> > "Helping put the pieces of your IT puzzle together"
> >
> >
> > "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks" wrote:
> >
> >> The Sharepoint service pack is not done by step one...but if you've been
> >> keeping up with Windows update or Microsoft update it's already done and
> >> can be skipped.
> >>
> >> The point is... you should either ensure each part is there or have been
> >> done by MU or WU.
> >>
> >> Jan wrote:
> >>
> >> >Having just done this here's my .02.
> >> >
> >> >The sharepoint stuff (step 2) appears to be done by step1. Why the hell
> >> >should you have to download the XP SP2 stuff when they explicitly
> >> >indicate
> >> >its optional. All our WS have long time had XP SP2 installed and we have
> >> >no
> >> >need for SP deployment to the clients. Step 5 won't run unless step four
> >> >is
> >> >done! What a croc
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >wrote in message news:%23GLXBp2IGHA.984@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>...whoa... how many consultants say that they don't install Windows
> >> >>2003
> >> >>sp1?
> >> >>
> >> >>HELLO TECHNOLOGY CONSULTANTS OF THE WORLD... WOULD YOU PLEASE READ
> >> >>DOCMENTATION AND README FILES
> >> >>
> >> >>There are 5 parts to the SBS service pack
> >> >>
> >> >>Windows 2003 sp1
> >> >>Sharepoint [can use sp2]
> >> >>Exchange [can use sp2]
> >> >>XP sp2
> >> >>and then the SBS specific service pack
> >> >>
> >> >>YOU DO THEM ALL
> >> >>
> >> >>Tell all those consultants to read the documentation please?
> >> >>
> >> >>kfrost wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>Hello,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I'm just curious, I've read through the docs which tell you to install
> >> >>>the
> >> >>>to XP hotfixes first, and then W2k3 SP 1, then SPS SP 1, then Exchange
> >> >>>2003 SP 1, then run the SBS SP 1 install.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I've read multiple threads where people claim that SBS SP 1 installs
> >> >>>SP 1
> >> >>>for both SPS and E2k3. If that's the case, I'm curious as to why the
> >> >>>SP 1
> >> >>>read me from the MS Website states to manually install SPS and E2k3
> >> >>>SP's.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Then I've talked to other consultants and they don't even run the W2k3
> >> >>>SP
> >> >>>1 install and just run the SBS SP1 install. My concern there is that
> >> >>>W2k3
> >> >>>SP 1 is 364 mb and SBS SP 1 is 210mb.
> >> >>>The doce I'm reading again is off the SBS page:
> >> >>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=B6F8A4C0-B707-4161-ADEB-44F1B756119F&displaylang=en
> >> >>>
> >> >>>It's labled ToDownLoadFilesandReadInstructions.htm
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Down the page it even reads as follows:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Downloading the service pack. The download for Windows SBS SP1
> >> >>>includes
> >> >>>the service packs necessary for the Standard Edition of Windows SBS
> >> >>>2003.
> >> >>>As a part of this process, you must download five separate files,
> >> >>>which
> >> >>>could take a considerable amount of time depending upon the speed of
> >> >>>your
> >> >>>Internet connection. If any of service packs 1-4 are already
> >> >>>installed, it
> >> >>>is not necessary to do so again.
> >> >>>1. Service Pack 1 for the Windows Server® 2003 operating system
> >> >>>2. Windows SharePoint® Services 2.0 Service Pack 1 3. Exchange Server
> >> >>>2003
> >> >>>Service Pack 1
> >> >>>4. Windows XP SP2 for Client Deployment
> >> >>>5. Windows Small Business Server 2003 SP1
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Currently I'm testing with using SPS & E23k SP 2 instead of one in the
> >> >>>steps mentioned.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Hope that's clear and if anybody has any documentation that I'm
> >> >>>missing
> >> >>>pertain to the recommended SP 1 upgrade path, I would appreciate it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Thanks.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
>
>
>
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