Re: Intermittant GPO failure to apply
- From: "NickC" <NoSpam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:18:45 +0100
Latest observations:
We have a new workstation, exactly the same as all the others, which does
not seem to suffer from this problem. The only difference that I can see is
that it has not had MSN messenger installed on it! Is there anyway that MSN
messenger could be causing these GPO problems?
Nick
""Charles Yang [MSFT]"" <v-chayan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> HI Nick,
>
> After checking for your event log, we found the error 1030 and 1058 did
> not
> occur every days, it seems just occur accidentally. It seems to be blocked
> by the anti-virus software, as I know group policy will updates the
> client's policy every hours, some time the package might be blocked by the
> anti-virus software.
>
> As you refer, I checked the userenv log and event log also your group
> policy. We could not find any relative information relate to this error,
> as
> it did not occur frequently. We may need to monitor it to see if this
> occur
> every time, and when it occur does it impact your SBS network connections.
>
> If you still want to know the root cause of this issue, you might have to
> contact CSS, as newsgroup might not be suitable to deal with the
> complexity
> problem.
>
> Thanks for understanding. I am glad to help you.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Charles Yang (MSFT)
>
> Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
>
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> | From: v-chayan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ("Charles Yang [MSFT]")
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> | Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 01:22:42 GMT
> | Subject: Re: Intermittant GPO failure to apply
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> | Hi Nick,
> |
> | After checking your group policy, we also need to check your event log,
> | could you send me the application log and system event log in event view
> | for further research.
> |
> | Thanks for understanding, Please send the log files to me.
> | v-chayan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> |
> |
> | Best regards,
> |
> | Charles Yang (MSFT)
> |
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> | | Subject: Re: Intermittant GPO failure to apply
> | | Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:25:19 +0100
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> | | Charles,
> | |
> | | GPO backup files and emailed to you.
> | |
> | | With regard to the user profiles, I can't help but think that we are
> | looking
> | | in the wrong place for this error. When the GPOs work correctly the
> | machine
> | | is connected and pingable even before any users have logged on so that
> | makes
> | | me think that this is not related to user accounts, what do you think?
> | |
> | | I have created a new user with roaming profile just like the rest but
> | even
> | | that doesn't have an ntuser.pol file anywhere, maybe roaming profiles
> | don't
> | | have this file? Logging on to a failed machine as the new user still
> | | doesn't solve the problem, but log onto a spare machine as any user
> and
> | that
> | | spare machine is ok. This is looking much more like a
> machine/network
> | | problem rather than a user account issue.
> | |
> | | Nick
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | | ""Charles Yang [MSFT]"" <v-chayan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> message
> | | news:Kjq00ZbsFHA.3604@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | | > Hi Nick,
> | | >
> | | > Thanks for updates.
> | | >
> | | > From your description, it seems you could not find the files in
> | | > administrator's profiles.
> | | >
> | | > As I know this should be created when establishing the profiles,
> could
> | you
> | | > test if possible to create a new profiles to see if this issue still
> | | > occur,
> | | > if you want to access other's profiles, you need to grant extra
> | permission
> | | > for administrator in the folder redirection policy.
> | | >
> | | > In order to make the issue more clear, we need to export all the
> policy
> | | > and
> | | > import to my test machine, so that we can help reproduce the issue
> to
> | see
> | | > if the we can find some solutions.
> | | >
> | | > Backup all the group policy:
> | | >
> | | > 1. Right click group policy objects in the server management.
> | | > 2. Choose backup all
> | | > 3. Send the files to me v-chayan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx( this should be a
> folder
> | | > and
> | | > a files, please send it together)
> | | >
> | | > We appreciate your understanding.
> | | >
> | | >
> | | >
> | | > Best regards,
> | | >
> | | > Charles Yang (MSFT)
> | | >
> | | > Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
> | | >
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> | | > | Subject: Re: Intermittant GPO failure to apply
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> | | > | Thanks Charles, see inline below:
> | | > |
> | | > | > The default setting of these GPO is "not defined" for all the
> policy
> | | > | > below:
> | | > | >
> | | > | > Network Client digitally sign communications (always)
> | | > | > Network Client digitally sign communications (if server
> agrees)
> | | > | > Network Server digitally sign communications (always)
> | | > | > Network Server digitally sign communications (if client
> agrees)
> | | > |
> | | > | Are you sure that the defaults for _both_ the 'Default Domain
> Policy'
> | | > and
> | | > | 'Default Domain Controllers Policy' are not defined, before I
> changed
> | | > them I
> | | > | noted that a couple of them were set to Enabled, unfortunately I
> | didn't
> | | > note
> | | > | exactly which ones they were.
> | | > |
> | | > |
> | | > | > In addition, have you tried my steps in previous reply, I will
> also
> | | > post
> | | > | > here:
> | | > | >
> | | > | > As you referred, you have enabled the roaming profiles and
> folder
> | | > | > redirection on SBS domain. Also in your userenv log we found it
> | still
> | | > | > refer
> | | > | > to the same problem in ntuser.pol, by default this files will be
> | | > recreate
> | | > | > when logon the domain again, it seems the files is corrupt and
> the
> | | > | > registry
> | | > | > is not correct.
> | | > | >
> | | > | > Please temporally delete that files or rename the files to see
> if
> | the
> | | > | > issue
> | | > | > can be clear. If you using roaming profiles, please check it on
> the
> | | > | > server.
> | | > |
> | | > | Cannot find any NTUser.pol files anywhere; none on workstations,
> none
> | in
> | | > the
> | | > | shared Profiles directory on the Server, none in the redirected
> | | > MyDocuments
> | | > | directory on the server!
> | | > |
> | | > | By the way I noticed that Administrator does not have access to
> the
> | | > profiles
> | | > | directory, each user directory in there is owned by the user, I
> had
> to
> | | > take
> | | > | ownership as administrator to be able to look in there for these
> | | > ntuser.pol
> | | > | files.
> | | > |
> | | > | Nick
> | | > |
> | | > |
> | | > | >
> | | > | > More info:
> | | > | >
> | | > | > 269378 Differences in the User Profiles in Windows
> | | > | > http://support.microsoft.com/?id=269378
> | | > | >
> | | > | >
> | | > | > Hope the above information helpful.
> | | > | >
> | | > | >
> | | > | >
> | | > | > Best regards,
> | | > | >
> | | > | > Charles Yang (MSFT)
> | | > | >
> | | > | > Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
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> | | > | > | Subject: Re: Intermittant GPO failure to apply
> | | > | > | Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:21:32 +0100
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> | | > | > | Hi Charles,
> | | > | > |
> | | > | > | As the SMB signing doesn't seem to make any difference I would
> | like
> | | > to
> | | > | > set
> | | > | > | them back to their defaults. Could you tell me what the
> default
> | | > | > settings
> | | > | > | were for the 'Default Domain Policy' and 'Default Domain
> | Controllers
> | | > | > Policy'
> | | > | > | GPOs for:
> | | > | > | Network Client digitally sign communications (always)
> | | > | > | Network Client digitally sign communications (if server
> | agrees)
> | | > | > | Network Server digitally sign communications (always)
> | | > | > | Network Server digitally sign communications (if client
> | agrees)
> | | > | > |
> | | > | > | Thanks,
> | | > | > | Nick
> | | > | > |
> | | > | > | ""Charles Yang [MSFT]"" <v-chayan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
> in
> | | > message
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> | | > | > | > Hi Nick,
> | | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > Thanks for updates.
> | | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > I will waiting for your results, as I mentioned we could not
> | | > | > troubleshoot
> | | > | > | > the root cause of this problem via newsgroup, it might be a
> | | > complex
> | | > | > | > problem, as I referred many factors might blocked the GPO
> | updates,
> | | > | > | > firewall
> | | > | > | > anti-virus software or SMB signing.
> | | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > Sorry for inconvenience, and thanks for your efforts.
> | | > | > | >
> | | > | > | >
> | | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > Best regards,
> | | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > Charles Yang (MSFT)
> | | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
> | | > | > | >
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> | | > | > | > --------------------
> | | > | > | > | From: "NickC" <NoSpam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > | References: <#0yb8FPlFHA.1608@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > <qk#JxlllFHA.3472@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > <u$KSRhnlFHA.1412@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > <lF03VAwlFHA.3672@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > <eyM9CI1lFHA.1948@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > <3NgMzq8lFHA.3120@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > <bdNyKYNmFHA.940@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > <OUgO7kOmFHA.1232@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > <LEzjLcVmFHA.944@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > <eInxpswpFHA.2904@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > <frb2Q85pFHA.1208@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > | Subject: Re: Intermittant GPO failure to apply
> | | > | > | > | Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:40:34 +0100
> | | > | > | > | Lines: 305
> | | > | > | > | X-Priority: 3
> | | > | > | > | X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> | | > | > | > | X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830
> | | > | > | > | X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830
> | | > | > | > | X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
> | | > | > | > | Message-ID: <#SZQAPZqFHA.3540@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
> | | > | > | > | NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.164.85.19
> | | > | > | > | Path:
> | | > | > TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl
> | | > | > | > | Xref: TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl
> | | > | > microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs:147801
> | | > | > | > | X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | Hi Charles,
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | Disabling the rename administrator account GPO and others
> | didn't
> | | > | > seem
> | | > | > to
> | | > | > | > | help so have now re-enabled them.
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | All SMB signing GPO settings are now set to disabled so
> will
> | | > wait
> | | > | > and
> | | > | > | > see
> | | > | > | > | what effect that has (must remember to reboot the server a
> few
> | | > | > times).
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | Workstations do indeed have Trend Micro CSM for SMB
> remotely
> | | > | > installed
> | | > | > | > and
> | | > | > | > | updating from the SBS server. Problem is these
> workstations
> | are
> | | > all
> | | > | > | > live
> | | > | > | > so
> | | > | > | > | I cannot safely leave virus checking disabled. Do you
> have
> | any
> | | > more
> | | > | > | > | information about this possible Trend Micro problem?
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | UPHClean is installed and reports the following error but
> I
> | | > can't
> | | > | > see
> | | > | > | > how
> | | > | > | > to
> | | > | > | > | identify which application is actually causing this:
> | | > | > | > | The following handles opened in user profile hive
> | | > | > | > <DOMAINNAME>\<username>
> | | > | > | > | (S-1-5-21-3513629081-3873135916-3088626867-1364) are
> | preventing
> | | > the
> | | > | > | > profile
> | | > | > | > | from unloading:
> | | > | > | > | svchost.exe (888)
> | | > | > | > | HKCU (0x3a0)
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | Regards,
> | | > | > | > | Nick
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | Hi,
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | Thanks for updates.
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | From the information you gave to me, we can not identify
> the
> | | > root
> | | > | > cause,
> | | > | > | > | have you try my suggestion in my last reply, I would like
> to
> | | > paste
> | | > | > them
> | | > | > | > | again:
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | FYI:
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | What I means about Trend is to disable it on the client
> | computer
> | | > if
> | | > | > you
> | | > | > | > | have also deploy it on client computer, as I know there is
> | some
> | | > | > problem
> | | > | > | > on
> | | > | > | > | this software if you deploy it on client computer.
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | As this is an intermittent issue, so it might need some
> time
> | to
> | | > | > | > | troubleshoot. in my previous reply, I suggest you disable
> all
> | | > the
> | | > | > SMB
> | | > | > | > | signing on both client computer and server, please also
> make
> | | > sure
> | | > | > that
> | | > | > | > you
> | | > | > | > | have disable all the SMB signing on the group policy. You
> can
> | | > refer
> | | > | > to
> | | > | > | > the
> | | > | > | > | article below to disable it.
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | Please refer to the following link to disable the SMB
> signing
> | to
> | | > see
> | | > | > if
> | | > | > | > the
> | | > | > | > | slow network access issue will be resolved:
> | | > | > | > | http://www.smallbizserver.net/Default.aspx?tabid=98
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | I appreciate your effort on this issue.
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | Best regards,
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | Charles Yang (MSFT)
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | ""Charles Yang [MSFT]"" <v-chayan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote
> | in
> | | > | > message
> | | > | > | > | news:frb2Q85pFHA.1208@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | | > | > | > | > Hi,
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > Thanks for updates.
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > From the information you gave to me, we can not identify
> the
> | | > root
> | | > | > | > cause,
> | | > | > | > | > have you try my suggestion in my last reply, I would
> like
> to
> | | > paste
> | | > | > | > them
> | | > | > | > | > again:
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > FYI:
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > What I means about Trend is to disable it on the client
> | | > computer
> | | > | > if
> | | > | > | > you
> | | > | > | > | > have also deploy it on client computer, as I know there
> is
> | | > some
> | | > | > | > problem
> | | > | > | > on
> | | > | > | > | > this software if you deploy it on client computer.
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > As this is an intermittent issue, so it might need some
> | time
> | | > to
> | | > | > | > | > troubleshoot. in my previous reply, I suggest you
> disable
> | all
> | | > the
> | | > | > SMB
> | | > | > | > | > signing on both client computer and server, please also
> make
> | | > sure
> | | > | > that
> | | > | > | > you
> | | > | > | > | > have disable all the SMB signing on the group policy.
> You
> | can
> | | > | > refer
> | | > | > to
> | | > | > | > the
> | | > | > | > | > article below to disable it.
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > Please refer to the following link to disable the SMB
> | signing
> | | > to
> | | > | > see
> | | > | > | > if
> | | > | > | > | > the
> | | > | > | > | > slow network access issue will be resolved:
> | | > | > | > | > http://www.smallbizserver.net/Default.aspx?tabid=98
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > I appreciate your effort on this issue.
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > Best regards,
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > Charles Yang (MSFT)
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > ======================================================
> | | > | > | > | > This newsgroup only focuses on SBS technical issues. If
> you
> | | > have
> | | > | > | > issues
> | | > | > | > | > regarding other Microsoft products, you'd better post in
> the
> | | > | > | > corresponding
> | | > | > | > | > newsgroups so that they can be resolved in an efficient
> and
> | | > timely
> | | > | > | > manner.
> | | > | > | > | > You can locate the newsgroup here:
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > When opening a new thread via the web interface, we
> | recommend
> | | > you
> | | > | > | > check
> | | > | > | > | > the
> | | > | > | > | > "Notify me of replies" box to receive e-mail
> notifications
> | | > when
> | | > | > there
> | | > | > | > are
> | | > | > | > | > any updates in your thread. When responding to posts via
> | your
> | | > | > | > newsreader,
> | | > | > | > | > please "Reply to Group" so that others may learn and
> benefit
> | | > from
> | | > | > your
> | | > | > | > | > issue.
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > Microsoft engineers can only focus on one issue per
> thread.
> | | > | > Although
> | | > | > | > we
> | | > | > | > | > provide other information for your reference, we
> recommend
> | you
> | | > | > post
> | | > | > | > | > different incidents in different threads to keep the
> thread
> | | > clean.
> | | > | > In
> | | > | > | > | > doing
> | | > | > | > | > so, it will ensure your issues are resolved in a timely
> | | > manner.
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > For urgent issues, you may want to contact Microsoft CSS
> | | > directly.
> | | > | > | > Please
> | | > | > | > | > check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support
> | phone
> | | > | > numbers.
> | | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > Any input or comments in this thread are highly
> appreciated.
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> | | > | > | > | > --------------------
> | | > | > | > | > | From: "NickC" <NoSpam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > | > | References: <#0yb8FPlFHA.1608@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > | > <qk#JxlllFHA.3472@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > | > <u$KSRhnlFHA.1412@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > | > <lF03VAwlFHA.3672@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > | > <eyM9CI1lFHA.1948@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > | > <3NgMzq8lFHA.3120@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > | > <bdNyKYNmFHA.940@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > | > <OUgO7kOmFHA.1232@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > | > <LEzjLcVmFHA.944@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > | > | > | > | Subject: Re: Intermittant GPO failure to apply
> | | > | > | > | > | Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:17:58 +0100
> | | > | > | > | > | Lines: 120
> | | > | > | > | > | X-Priority: 3
> | | > | > | > | > | X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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> | | > | > | > | > | X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE
> V6.00.3790.1830
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> | | > | > | > | > | Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
> | | > | > | > | > | NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.stkittsnevisregistry.net
> | | > 194.164.85.19
> | | > | > | > | > | Path:
> | | > | > | >
> TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl
> | | > | > | > | > | Xref: TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl
> | | > | > | > microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs:146589
> | | > | > | > | > | X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | Hi Charles,
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | UPHClean now installed and logging the following
> errors:
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | Event Type: Information
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | Event Source: UPHClean
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | Event Category: None
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | Event ID: 1501
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | Date: 18/08/2005
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | Time: 16:32:11
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | User: <DOMAINNAME>\<username>
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | Computer: <DOMAINNAME>5
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | Description:
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | The following handles opened in user profile hive
> | | > | > | > | > <DOMAINNAME>\<username>
> | | > | > | > | > | (S-1-5-21-3513629081-3873135916-3088626867-1364) are
> | | > preventing
> | | > | > the
> | | > | > | > | > profile
> | | > | > | > | > | from unloading:
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | svchost.exe (888)
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | HKCU (0x3a0)
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | How can I tell what application is causing this?
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | Thanks,
> | | > | > | > | > | Nick
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > |
> | | > | > | > | > | ""Charles Yang [MSFT]""
> <v-chayan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | | > wrote
> | | > in
> | | > | > | > message
> | | > | > | > | > | news:LEzjLcVmFHA.944@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | | > | > | > | > | > HI NICK,
> | | > | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > | > Thanks for quickly updates.
> | | > | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > | > After researching the error 1517, I found it might
> | relate
> | | > to
> | | > | > group
> | | > | > | > | > policy
> | | > | > | > | > | > is not update, you can refer to my suggestion below:
> | | > | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > | > Many system and service processes do work on behalf
> of
> | | > users.
> | | > | > | > When
> | | > | > | > | > the
> | | > | > | > | > | > work is done the system or service process is
> | responsible
> | | > for
> | | > | > | > | > releasing
> | | > | > | > | > | > handles it has to the user profile hive. If this is
> not
> | | > done
> | | > | > by
> | | > | > | > the
> | | > | > | > | > | > service as the user logs off the profile cannot be
> | | > unloaded.
> | | > | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > | > This problem in code can be caused by improper
> coding
> | | > either
> | | > | > in
> | | > | > | > | > Microsoft
> | | > | > | > | > | > software or 3rd party software (e.g. printer
> drivers,
> | | > virus
> | | > | > | > scanner
> | | > | > | > | > | > service, etc). With the information provided by the
> | | > system
> | | > | > there
> | | > | > | > is
> | | > | > | > | > no
> | | > | > | > | > | > way
> | | > | > | > | > | > to find out what software needs to be corrected to
> allow
> | | > | > profiles
> | | > | > | > to
> | | > | > | > | > | > unload.
> | | > | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > | > Why we use UPHCLEAN
> | | > | > | > | > | > ====================
> | | > | > | > | > | > In the past these issues have been fixed by code
> | changes
> | | > to
> | | > | > | > release
> | | > | > | > | > the
> | | > | > | > | > | > registry handle. The disadvantage of this approach
> is
> | | > that
> | | > in
> | | > | > | > many
> | | > | > | > | > cases
> | | > | > | > | > | > multiple issues (different code paths) are causing
> the
> | | > | > profiles
> | | > | > to
> | | > | > | > not
> | | > | > | > | > | > unload. Unless all problem code paths are fixed
> | profiles
> | | > do
> | | > | > not
> | | > | > | > | > unload.
> | | > | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > | > The concept of UPHClean is to deal with these the
> same
> | way
> | | > the
> | | > | > | > | > operating
> | | > | > | > | > | > system deals with other resource issues: when a task
> is
> | | > done
> | | > | > | > resources
> | | > | > | > | > | > (memory, handles, etc) are automatically reclaimed.
> | | > UPHClean
> | | > | > | > | > | > accomplishesthis simply by monitoring for users to
> log
> | off
> | | > and
> | | > | > | > | > verifying
> | | > | > | > | > | > that unused resources are reclaimed. If they are
> not
> it
> | | > | > reclaims
> | | > | > | > the
> | | > | > | > | > | > resource and logsits action. This approach is
> superior
> | as
> | | > it
> | | > | > | > works
> | | > | > | > | > for
> | | > | > | > | > | > any
> | | > | > | > | > | > known reason that profiles do not unload and also
> will
> | | > keep
> | | > | > | > working
> | | > | > | > to
> | | > | > | > | > | > address new unknown issues.
> | | > | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > | > Another advantage to UPHClean is that no computer
> | restart
> | | > is
> | | > | > | > required
> | | > | > | > | > to
> | | > | > | > | > | > install it or remove it (except on Windows NT 4).
> You
> | can
> | | > | > install
> | | > | > | > and
> | | > | > | > | > | > remove UPHClean to find out whether it helps with a
> | | > profile
> | | > | > unload
> | | > | > | > | > problem
> | | > | > | > | > | > or not. You can do this without having to worry
> about
> | | > what
> | | > | > | > hotfix,
> | | > | > | > | > | > service
> | | > | > | > | > | > pack, feature pack, etc has been installed. Set it
> and
> | | > forget
> | | > | > is
> | | > | > | > the
> | | > | > | > | > goal
> | | > | > | > | > | > ofUPHClean.
> | | > | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > | > By default UPHClean takes action to allow profiles
> to
> | | > unload.
> | | > | > You
> | | > | > | > can
> | | > | > | > | > | > choose to have UPHClean only report what processes
> it
> | | > finds
> | | > | > | > preventing
> | | > | > | > | > | > profiles from unloading. To do this, install
> UPHClean
> | and
> | | > use
> | | > | > the
> | | > | > | > | > | > registry
> | | > | > | > | > | > editor to set:
> | | > | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | >
> | | >
> HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\UPHClean\Parameters\REPORT_ONLY
> | | > | > | > | > to
> | | > | > | > | > | > 1
> | | > | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > | > 837115 Troubleshooting profile unload issues
> | | > | > | > | > | > http://support.microsoft.com/?id=837115
> | | > | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > | > If possible please perform my steps above and paste
> any
> | | > | > progress
> | | > | > | > to
> | | > | > | > | > | > newsgroup, thanks for your effort in this issue.
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> | | > | > | > | > | > Best regards,
> | | > | > | > | > | >
> | | > | > | > | > | > Charles Yang (MSFT)
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