Re: WINS 4204 Every 40 Minutes

Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

I do understand your concerns. It is always better to know how it works
instead of how to make it work. However, I cannot find why we need to
modify these entries under "currentcontrolset001" key.

The registry keys and values which I believe can be used to resolve this
issue were found in our internal database, a previous case log. In that
case log, the issue is same with yours, and our development team has found
that modifying these registry keys and values can stop the release of the
packet every 40 minutes, and it has been proved by that customer. However,
there is no any explanation about it in the case log.

In addition, modifying the registry keys and values should stop the release
of the packet every 40 minutes, however, there is no way to disable the
release of the multicast packet on startup of the WINS server.

Based on my research, WINS server sends multicast packets to 224.0.1.24
every 40 minutes, this is a multicast packet sent by the WINS service
looking for possible replication partners. WINS periodically sends
information about itself by means of these packets. Normally, only WINS
server can reply these multicast packets. However, some network appliances
(such as router, printer, or computer) may also reply these packets, this
is abnormal, and if the WINS server receives these reply packet, the error
4204 will be logged. This error will not hurt anything, and the WINS
server will work normally.

Therefore, if modifying the registry keys and values doesn't work. We may
need to capture network traffic to find out which network appliance replies
the multicast packet.

If the issue persists after rebooting the server, please feel free to let
me know. Thanks for your understanding and I look forward to hearing from
you.

Have a nice weekend!

Steven Wang (MSFT)
Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support


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>No, I understand. I have a feeling the WINS issue will persist after the
>reboot, though I hope not. I'll let you know. Odd how your post
suggested
>changing the currentcontrolset001 reg entries and flipping the values.
>Isn't that a backup set of entires from last known good boot.
>I'd love the technical reasoning behind this if you have it.
>
>Thanks!
>
>"Steven Wang [MSFT]" <v-stwang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for your prompt reply. If the issue still exists after the server
>> rebooted, please feel free to post back or simply send an email to me at
>> v-stwang@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, I will then get back to you.
>>
>> Regarding your question, I suggest you don't remove the WINS server,
since
>> there is a Windows XP client connected to the network through VPN. If
all
>> Win XP clients are local clients, it is not necessary to run WINS server,
>> because of that if there is any NetBIOS name query request from client
>> computer, the NetBIOS name can be resolved by sending NetBIOS broadcast.
>> However, if the client computer is connected to the network through VPN,
>> the NetBIOS broadcast will not work, so that we still need the WINS
>> server.
>>
>> If anything is unclear or you need any more information, please feel free
>> to let me know. It has been a pleasure to work with you.
>>
>> Have a nice day!
>>
>> Steven Wang (MSFT)
>> Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
>>
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>>>Subject: Re: WINS 4204 Every 40 Minutes
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>>>OK, I just made the changes. The server will not be rebooted for a
couple
>>>of weeks so if it needs to reboot, I'll have no updates until then.
>>>
>>>Do I even need WINS in the environment I described below? Please let me
>>>know..
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>"Steven Wang [MSFT]" <v-stwang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I do understand your concern, and it is really frustrated.
>>>>
>>>> I have performed a lot of research, and I have found that we may
prevent
>>>> WINS server from sending the multicast packages by modifying the
>> following
>>>> registry keys:
>>>>
>>>> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\WINS\Parameters]
>>>>
>>>> McastIntvl = 0X0FFFFFFF
>>>> UseSelfFndPnrs = 1
>>>>
>>>> Note that the path of the key has been changed from CurrentControlSet
to
>>>> ControlSet001, and the two values data are all changed.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps, and I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you for
>>>> your time and it is my pleasure to work with you on this issue!
>>>>
>>>> Have a nice day!
>>>>
>>>> Steven Wang (MSFT)
>>>> Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
>>>>
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>>>>>Hi Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>>I just don't get it. We put in the registry changes exactly as
Microsoft
>>>>>recommends and I'm still getting the WINS error every 40 minutes. The
>>>> part
>>>>>that really blows my mind is that this is a very standard install of
SBS
>>>>>2003. I didn't do any thing different than my other installs. All
>>>> service
>>>>>packs and updates are installed and I've never messed with WINS. Do I
>>>> even
>>>>>need it running. The error is very annoying. I have 3 local XP Pro
>>>> clients
>>>>>and 1 XP Pro client that comes in via a VPN. That's it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please help. Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Anonymous" <someone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>news:76qdnSLRTtFIF4DeRVn-2Q@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> OK, we are rebooting this morning...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steven Wang [MSFT]" <v-stwang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ltgNPbosFHA.1208@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your reply!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The server needs to be restarted to make the registry changes
effect.
>>>> If
>>>>>>> the issue still exists after the next reboot of the server, please
>> feel
>>>>>>> free to let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a nice day!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steven Wang (MSFT)
>>>>>>> Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>I had tried this before, but noticed that there was a typo on one of
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>registry entries. I've now corrected it but assume the changes
won't
>>>>>>>>go
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>affect until the next reboot. I hope this works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Steven Wang [MSFT]" <v-stwang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
message
>>>>>>>>news:GmeEO0fsFHA.3308@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for posting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From your post, my understanding of this issue is: you're
>>>> experiencing
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> your WINS is running on a SBS 2003 server is generated an event
>> every
>>>>>>>>> 40
>>>>>>>>> minutes. Event Source: Wins, Event ID: 4204. If this is not
>>>>>>>>> correct,
>>>>>>>>> please feel free to let me know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Based on my research, I have found that when the WINS service is
>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> Windows NT Technology based server, it automatically sends IGMP
>>>> packets
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> multicast address 224.0.1.24. This is a multicast packet sent by
>> the
>>>>>>> WINS
>>>>>>>>> service looking for possible replication partners. WINS
>> periodically
>>>>>>>>> sends
>>>>>>>>> information about itself by means of these packets. If you do not
>>>> want
>>>>>>>>> these multicast packets to be sent, set UseSelfFndPnrs in the
>>>>>>>>> registry
>>>>>>>>> under the following key to DWORD 0 and also set McastIntvl to some
>>>> huge
>>>>>>>>> value (DWORD FFFFFFFF for instance; by default the interval is
>>>>>>>>> 2400,
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> is, 40 minutes).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Use the Registry Editor to set the UseSelfFndPnrs and McastIntvl
>>>>>>>>> entries
>>>>>>>>> under the following Registry key:
>>>>>>>>>
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Wins\Parameters
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For more information about this issue, please refer to the
>>>>>>>>> following
>>>> KB
>>>>>>>>> article:
>>>>>>>>> WINS Server Sends IGMP Packets on Startup
>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=151761
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In addition, if there are only Windows XP Pro workstations in the
>>>>>>> network,
>>>>>>>>> I think it's unnecessary to run WINS server in the network. WINS
>> is
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> NetBIOS name resolution service that allows client computers to
>>>>>>>>> register
>>>>>>>>> their NetBIOS names and IP addresses in a dynamic, distributed
>>>> database
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> to resolve the NetBIOS names of network resources to their IP
>>>>>>>>> addresses.
>>>>>>>>> WINS is needed in any Microsoft Windows network environment that
>>>>>>>>> includes
>>>>>>>>> operating systems or applications that rely on NetBIOS. Since
only
>>>>>>>>> operating systems earlier than Windows 2000 rely on NetBIOS, WINS
>>>>>>>>> server
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> only needed for operating systems that earlier than Windows 2000.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, for the compatibility and performance reason, I suggest
we
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> disable the WINS server, as some applications may still use
NetBIOS
>>>>>>>>> name.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns related to this issue,
please
>>>> let
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I appreciate your time and look forward to hearing from you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steven Wang (MSFT)
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>From: "Anonymous" <someone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
>>>>>>>>>>Subject: WINS 4204 Every 40 Minutes
>>>>>>>>>>Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:00:59 -0400
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>>>>>>>>>>Another weird issue with a recent SBS install. Very standard and
>>>> small
>>>>>>>>>>network with only 3 XP Pro workstations and an HP 1320N networked
>>>> laser
>>>>>>>>> jet
>>>>>>>>>>printer. Every 40 minutes, a WINS 4204 error is logged in the
>>>>>>>>>>event
>>>>>>> logs.
>>>>>>>>>>This is realy annoying. I've tried all the permission changes,
>>>>>>>>>>etc.
>>>> in
>>>>>>> MS
>>>>>>>>>>articles and reducing the time interval of WINS looking for
>>>> replication
>>>>>>>>>>parters. However, nothing has worked. I even took the 1320N
>> printer
>>>>>>>>>>off
>>>>>>>>>>the network for a day to see if it was responding to multicast
>>>>>>>>>>packets
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>WINS. That was not the culprit. Has anyone ever seen this? Do I
>>>> even
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>WINS running?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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