Re: WINS 4204 Every 40 Minutes

Hi,

Thanks for your prompt reply. If the issue still exists after the server
rebooted, please feel free to post back or simply send an email to me at
v-stwang@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, I will then get back to you.

Regarding your question, I suggest you don't remove the WINS server, since
there is a Windows XP client connected to the network through VPN. If all
Win XP clients are local clients, it is not necessary to run WINS server,
because of that if there is any NetBIOS name query request from client
computer, the NetBIOS name can be resolved by sending NetBIOS broadcast.
However, if the client computer is connected to the network through VPN,
the NetBIOS broadcast will not work, so that we still need the WINS server.

If anything is unclear or you need any more information, please feel free
to let me know. It has been a pleasure to work with you.

Have a nice day!

Steven Wang (MSFT)
Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support

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>From: "Anonymous" <someone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>Subject: Re: WINS 4204 Every 40 Minutes
>Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:14:52 -0400
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>OK, I just made the changes. The server will not be rebooted for a couple
>of weeks so if it needs to reboot, I'll have no updates until then.
>
>Do I even need WINS in the environment I described below? Please let me
>know..
>
>Thanks!
>
>"Steven Wang [MSFT]" <v-stwang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Hi,
>>
>> I do understand your concern, and it is really frustrated.
>>
>> I have performed a lot of research, and I have found that we may prevent
>> WINS server from sending the multicast packages by modifying the
following
>> registry keys:
>>
>> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\WINS\Parameters]
>>
>> McastIntvl = 0X0FFFFFFF
>> UseSelfFndPnrs = 1
>>
>> Note that the path of the key has been changed from CurrentControlSet to
>> ControlSet001, and the two values data are all changed.
>>
>> Hope this helps, and I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you for
>> your time and it is my pleasure to work with you on this issue!
>>
>> Have a nice day!
>>
>> Steven Wang (MSFT)
>> Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
>>
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>>>Hi Steve,
>>>
>>>I just don't get it. We put in the registry changes exactly as Microsoft
>>>recommends and I'm still getting the WINS error every 40 minutes. The
>> part
>>>that really blows my mind is that this is a very standard install of SBS
>>>2003. I didn't do any thing different than my other installs. All
>> service
>>>packs and updates are installed and I've never messed with WINS. Do I
>> even
>>>need it running. The error is very annoying. I have 3 local XP Pro
>> clients
>>>and 1 XP Pro client that comes in via a VPN. That's it.
>>>
>>>Please help. Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>"Anonymous" <someone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>news:76qdnSLRTtFIF4DeRVn-2Q@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> OK, we are rebooting this morning...
>>>>
>>>> "Steven Wang [MSFT]" <v-stwang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:ltgNPbosFHA.1208@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your reply!
>>>>>
>>>>> The server needs to be restarted to make the registry changes effect.
>> If
>>>>> the issue still exists after the next reboot of the server, please
feel
>>>>> free to let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a nice day!
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven Wang (MSFT)
>>>>> Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>>Subject: Re: WINS 4204 Every 40 Minutes
>>>>>>Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:21:32 -0400
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>>>>>>I had tried this before, but noticed that there was a typo on one of
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>registry entries. I've now corrected it but assume the changes won't
>>>>>>go
>>>>> in
>>>>>>affect until the next reboot. I hope this works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Steven Wang [MSFT]" <v-stwang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:GmeEO0fsFHA.3308@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for posting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From your post, my understanding of this issue is: you're
>> experiencing
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> your WINS is running on a SBS 2003 server is generated an event
every
>>>>>>> 40
>>>>>>> minutes. Event Source: Wins, Event ID: 4204. If this is not
>>>>>>> correct,
>>>>>>> please feel free to let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Based on my research, I have found that when the WINS service is
>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> Windows NT Technology based server, it automatically sends IGMP
>> packets
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> multicast address 224.0.1.24. This is a multicast packet sent by
the
>>>>> WINS
>>>>>>> service looking for possible replication partners. WINS
periodically
>>>>>>> sends
>>>>>>> information about itself by means of these packets. If you do not
>> want
>>>>>>> these multicast packets to be sent, set UseSelfFndPnrs in the
>>>>>>> registry
>>>>>>> under the following key to DWORD 0 and also set McastIntvl to some
>> huge
>>>>>>> value (DWORD FFFFFFFF for instance; by default the interval is 2400,
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is, 40 minutes).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Use the Registry Editor to set the UseSelfFndPnrs and McastIntvl
>>>>>>> entries
>>>>>>> under the following Registry key:
>>>>>>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Wins\Parameters
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For more information about this issue, please refer to the following
>> KB
>>>>>>> article:
>>>>>>> WINS Server Sends IGMP Packets on Startup
>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=151761
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In addition, if there are only Windows XP Pro workstations in the
>>>>> network,
>>>>>>> I think it's unnecessary to run WINS server in the network. WINS
is
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> NetBIOS name resolution service that allows client computers to
>>>>>>> register
>>>>>>> their NetBIOS names and IP addresses in a dynamic, distributed
>> database
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> to resolve the NetBIOS names of network resources to their IP
>>>>>>> addresses.
>>>>>>> WINS is needed in any Microsoft Windows network environment that
>>>>>>> includes
>>>>>>> operating systems or applications that rely on NetBIOS. Since only
>>>>>>> operating systems earlier than Windows 2000 rely on NetBIOS, WINS
>>>>>>> server
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> only needed for operating systems that earlier than Windows 2000.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, for the compatibility and performance reason, I suggest we
>>>>>>> do
>>>>> not
>>>>>>> disable the WINS server, as some applications may still use NetBIOS
>>>>>>> name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns related to this issue, please
>> let
>>>>> me
>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I appreciate your time and look forward to hearing from you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steven Wang (MSFT)
>>>>>>> Microsoft CSS Online Newsgroup Support
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:01:10 -0500
>>>>>>>>From: "Anonymous" <someone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
>>>>>>>>Subject: WINS 4204 Every 40 Minutes
>>>>>>>>Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:00:59 -0400
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Another weird issue with a recent SBS install. Very standard and
>> small
>>>>>>>>network with only 3 XP Pro workstations and an HP 1320N networked
>> laser
>>>>>>> jet
>>>>>>>>printer. Every 40 minutes, a WINS 4204 error is logged in the event
>>>>> logs.
>>>>>>>>This is realy annoying. I've tried all the permission changes, etc.
>> in
>>>>> MS
>>>>>>>>articles and reducing the time interval of WINS looking for
>> replication
>>>>>>>>parters. However, nothing has worked. I even took the 1320N
printer
>>>>>>>>off
>>>>>>>>the network for a day to see if it was responding to multicast
>>>>>>>>packets
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>WINS. That was not the culprit. Has anyone ever seen this? Do I
>> even
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>WINS running?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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