Re: Windows SBS 2003 from ebay?

• From: "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
• Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:31:08 -0700

No it's not... Server software should be sold with a Server.

wedor wrote:

It is actually totally legal to sell OEM with a mouse since MS considers it "non-peripheral hardware".

Keyboards are in the same class, anything that is a required part of running a system is considered non-peripheral, a printer does not qualify for instance but motherboards, power supplies, RAM, etc, does.

As for the other OEM issues an authorized reseller is only supposed to sell OEM software to another OEM builder not just anybody.

There is a certain amount of NFR (Not For Resale) software distributed by Microsoft for promotional, testing and demonstration purposes that cannot legally be sold, transferred or given away.

You will always find a certain number of people who will look for loop holes or just flat out dishonestly sell a product, anything to make a buck, it does not matter to them who is cheated in the process as long as they are profiting from it.

The Microsoft licensing rules are too complicated to try to explain in this venue, suffice it too say that it is like most things in life, "if it sounds too good to be true...".
"Russ Grover" <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:eCpBKuJeFHA.3864@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

The only way I'm legal in Selling it is Installed on a system (OEM) and I provide support.
(I can Assist in a sale of the software alone *Retail but not sell it.)
The people who sell an OEM version with a mouse are in violation of Microsoft rules.

I looked again at that EBAY thing
The second one is Pure Piracy, He's Selling a Version of the 90 Trial of the software.
(Which is Free btw) then he's selling a HACK to supposedly make everything is ok!
And he has the #@$ to say it's legal.. BS

If you notice he's even had PayPal Cancel his account because of his shady activity...
Stick with Reputable Places you will be much happier.

--
Russ Grover
Small Business IT Support
Portland\Beaverton OR USA
Email: Sales at SmallBusinessITSupport.com
Website: www.SmallBusinessITSupport.com

"Leslie Isaacs" <leslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:ORan1xIeFHA.4016@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hello Russ

Many thanks for your response.

I take it from what you say that it is not legal to simply buy software (say
from microsoft), then decide that you don't want it and so decide to sell it
on. If this is the case, that's a good enough explanation for me! I must say
I am surprised though: I would have thought that as long as one licence is
only used by one person/machine, that would be OK.

I should add that I have no intention of using illegal software - hence my
desire to be certain what's legal and what's not.

Thanks again.
Les

--
Many thanks
PayeDoc
"Russ Grover" <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:u4VGv0GeFHA.3836@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

There are Many Steps in becoming an Authorised Seller.

If you NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY Ask Microsoft..
Call (800) 426-9400 (toll-free in the United States) or (877) 568-2495
(toll-free in Canada).

If you want to know How to validate your copy. (Make sure it's authentic.)
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/default.mspx

Microsoft Authorized resellers list

http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/render.aspx?view=22&type=mnp&content=22/licensing

If you are a Reseller you have access to about the lowest price you can

get.

I use a Reseller www.asipartner.com And Believe it or not I've got a

lower

price from even COMPUSA.com

Buying from a Reputable Dealer, not only Insures quality of the product,

and

support.
but that in Future updates you will be able to get them.

Starting I think August, People with Hacked or Non Authentic versions of

XP

will no longer be able to get updates.
using http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com

Ethics also plays a big part of this. If you have no problem stealing and
selling stolen goods, then anyone can sell Microsoft software.
I don't recommend it however.

Every week I get a list (I'm an OEM Builder) of Companies that are being
sued by Microsoft for Violation of Reseller rules.
(Either they are breaking the rules like selling a Mouse with Windows

Server

Software, or Just plan selling the same Key over and over again.)

Now when they break the rules, The Lawyers Sequester all the names of the
clients that they sold that software too.
Remember anything Stolen get's confiscated by the Police and You loose
everything....
They could Knock on your door and legally grab your server out from under
you...
In fact they can arrest you for knowingly buying stolen goods.

If it's too good to be true, it probably is.
So Do you feel Lucky?

Also Any Place that Requires you to DOWNLOAD the Software is NEVER

Legit...

--
Russ Grover
Small Business IT Support
Portland\Beaverton OR USA
Email: Sales at SmallBusinessITSupport.com
Website: www.SmallBusinessITSupport.com

"Jack Isaacs" <jack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23lheWmEeFHA.2732@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hello All

OK folks, many thanks for your replies. You are all obviously

experienced

and knowledgeable on this issue, and I am not. Therefore I am prepared

to

accept that you are all correct in saying what you have said - which
amounts
to "it's not legal, don't touch it with a barge pole".
HOWEVER
I need to understand why. Being a bit of an obsessive/pedantic/cynical
type,
I NEED TO KNOW exactly what it is that make these 'offers' illegal. So

far

your rationale has been restricted to intuition and common sense ("if

it's

that cheap it must be illegal"), but for me that's not enough: I need to
know what rule/term of the licence agreement/law I would be breaking if

a

bought and used software from these guys. Some of you have conceded that
some software sold on ebay is probably legal: how do I differentiate
between
the legal and the illegal?

Let me put it another way: under what circumstances is it legal for
someone
(other than microsoft and other official suppliers) to sell this kind of
software?

Hope you all don't mind my asking!

Thanks again
Les

"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message news:%23f0E3oCeFHA.1288@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

This screams a Not for Resale version of SBS..

1.  It's too cheap
2.  No box?  Excuse me the only way I have SBS without a box is
officially from Microsoft licensing not ebay
3.  Flat out... it's way too cheap to be legal

Leslie Isaacs wrote:

Hello All

All of you are saying the same thing, so I suppose you must be right,

but I

am very curious about why all these offers are necessarily illegal:

if

someone buys the product but does not use/activate it, surely they

can

sell

it on legally?

When one of the sellers says:
"This is an auction for Microsoft Windows Small Business Server 2003
Standard Edition, incorporating 1 Server Licence and 5 Client Access
Licences (CALs). It is the full software (not an upgrade) and comes

as

a

set

of holographic Microsoft CD ROMs with Product Key Codes. It has never

been

installed or registered/activated.
Please note: This product does not include a box, manual or other

printed

material. It is only the CD ROMs and Product Key Code. "

... is he lying, or what?

Same goes for the one saying simply:
"Microsoft Windows Small Business Server 2003 5 Cals (license pack)

New

and un-opened"

Also, one seller give the following information:
"In Per User or Per Device mode, a separate CAL is required for each

user or

device that accesses or uses the Microsoft Small Business Server 2003
software on any server. You may reassign a Windows CAL from one

device

to

another device, or from one user to another user, provided the

reassignment

is made either (a) permanently away from the one device or user or

(b)

temporarily to accommodate the use of the Windows CAL either by a
loaner
device, while a permanent device is out of service, or by a temporary
worker, while a regular employee is absent. By having two types of

Windows

CALs, you are able to use the model that makes sense for your

organization.

For example, purchasing a Windows User CAL might make more sense if
your
company has a need for employees to have roaming access using

multiple

devices. Windows Device CALs may make more sense if your company has
multiple-shift workers who share devices."

This sounds reassuring to me - or am I being naive?

Thanks for any advice.
Leslie Isaacs

"DaveN" <DaveN.1r334x@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:DaveN.1r334x@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

they would be illegal.... that TweakNT thing is illegal too

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