Re: Windows SBS 2003 from ebay?

Ya gotta love that Oxymoron Phrase

TweakNT that makes it Legal

Now there's an Oxymoron... LOL

--
Russ Grover
Small Business IT Support
Portland\Beaverton OR USA
Email: Sales at SmallBusinessITSupport.com
Website: www.SmallBusinessITSupport.com


"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote in message news:%23zlg26TeFHA.3280@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> No it's not... Server software should be sold with a Server.
>
> As far as Leslie.. there is NO SUCH THING as TweakNT that makes a Eval
> version legal...'nuff said.
>
> Again.. to make software legal there is paperwork that transfers with that
> software... none of these locations have any of the necessary
> documentation ...thus if you would need to prove to Microsoft that it 'is'
> legal software ..you would not have the EULA document, the COA labels...
> bottom line your 'i's are not dotted and your t's are not crossed.
>
> wedor wrote:
>
>>It is actually totally legal to sell OEM with a mouse since MS considers
>>it "non-peripheral hardware".
>>
>>Keyboards are in the same class, anything that is a required part of
>>running a system is considered non-peripheral, a printer does not qualify
>>for instance but motherboards, power supplies, RAM, etc, does.
>>
>>As for the other OEM issues an authorized reseller is only supposed to
>>sell OEM software to another OEM builder not just anybody.
>>
>>There is a certain amount of NFR (Not For Resale) software distributed by
>>Microsoft for promotional, testing and demonstration purposes that cannot
>>legally be sold, transferred or given away.
>>
>>You will always find a certain number of people who will look for loop
>>holes or just flat out dishonestly sell a product, anything to make a
>>buck, it does not matter to them who is cheated in the process as long as
>>they are profiting from it.
>>
>>The Microsoft licensing rules are too complicated to try to explain in
>>this venue, suffice it too say that it is like most things in life, "if it
>>sounds too good to be true...".
>>"Russ Grover" <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>news:eCpBKuJeFHA.3864@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>>The only way I'm legal in Selling it is Installed on a system (OEM) and I
>>>provide support.
>>>(I can Assist in a sale of the software alone *Retail but not sell it.)
>>>The people who sell an OEM version with a mouse are in violation of
>>>Microsoft rules.
>>>
>>>I looked again at that EBAY thing
>>>The second one is Pure Piracy, He's Selling a Version of the 90 Trial of
>>>the software.
>>>(Which is Free btw) then he's selling a HACK to supposedly make
>>>everything is ok!
>>>And he has the #@$ to say it's legal.. BS
>>>
>>>If you notice he's even had PayPal Cancel his account because of his
>>>shady activity...
>>>Stick with Reputable Places you will be much happier.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Russ Grover
>>>Small Business IT Support
>>>Portland\Beaverton OR USA
>>>Email: Sales at SmallBusinessITSupport.com
>>>Website: www.SmallBusinessITSupport.com
>>>
>>>
>>>"Leslie Isaacs" <leslie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>news:ORan1xIeFHA.4016@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>>Hello Russ
>>>>
>>>>Many thanks for your response.
>>>>
>>>>I take it from what you say that it is not legal to simply buy software
>>>>(say
>>>>from microsoft), then decide that you don't want it and so decide to
>>>>sell it
>>>>on. If this is the case, that's a good enough explanation for me! I must
>>>>say
>>>>I am surprised though: I would have thought that as long as one licence
>>>>is
>>>>only used by one person/machine, that would be OK.
>>>>
>>>>I should add that I have no intention of using illegal software - hence
>>>>my
>>>>desire to be certain what's legal and what's not.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks again.
>>>>Les
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Many thanks
>>>>PayeDoc
>>>>"Russ Grover" <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>news:u4VGv0GeFHA.3836@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>>There are Many Steps in becoming an Authorised Seller.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY Ask Microsoft..
>>>>>Call (800) 426-9400 (toll-free in the United States) or (877) 568-2495
>>>>>(toll-free in Canada).
>>>>>
>>>>>If you want to know How to validate your copy. (Make sure it's
>>>>>authentic.)
>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/default.mspx
>>>>>
>>>>>Microsoft Authorized resellers list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/render.aspx?view=22&type=mnp&content=22/licensing
>>>>
>>>>>If you are a Reseller you have access to about the lowest price you can
>>>>>
>>>>get.
>>>>
>>>>>I use a Reseller www.asipartner.com And Believe it or not I've got a
>>>>>
>>>>lower
>>>>
>>>>>price from even COMPUSA.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Buying from a Reputable Dealer, not only Insures quality of the
>>>>>product,
>>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>support.
>>>>>but that in Future updates you will be able to get them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Starting I think August, People with Hacked or Non Authentic versions
>>>>>of
>>>>>
>>>>XP
>>>>
>>>>>will no longer be able to get updates.
>>>>>using http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Ethics also plays a big part of this. If you have no problem stealing
>>>>>and
>>>>>selling stolen goods, then anyone can sell Microsoft software.
>>>>>I don't recommend it however.
>>>>>
>>>>>Every week I get a list (I'm an OEM Builder) of Companies that are
>>>>>being
>>>>>sued by Microsoft for Violation of Reseller rules.
>>>>>(Either they are breaking the rules like selling a Mouse with Windows
>>>>>
>>>>Server
>>>>
>>>>>Software, or Just plan selling the same Key over and over again.)
>>>>>
>>>>>Now when they break the rules, The Lawyers Sequester all the names of
>>>>>the
>>>>>clients that they sold that software too.
>>>>>Remember anything Stolen get's confiscated by the Police and You loose
>>>>>everything....
>>>>>They could Knock on your door and legally grab your server out from
>>>>>under
>>>>>you...
>>>>>In fact they can arrest you for knowingly buying stolen goods.
>>>>>
>>>>>If it's too good to be true, it probably is.
>>>>>So Do you feel Lucky?
>>>>>
>>>>>Also Any Place that Requires you to DOWNLOAD the Software is NEVER
>>>>>
>>>>Legit...
>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Russ Grover
>>>>>Small Business IT Support
>>>>>Portland\Beaverton OR USA
>>>>>Email: Sales at SmallBusinessITSupport.com
>>>>>Website: www.SmallBusinessITSupport.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Jack Isaacs" <jack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>news:%23lheWmEeFHA.2732@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello All
>>>>>>
>>>>>>OK folks, many thanks for your replies. You are all obviously
>>>>>>
>>>>experienced
>>>>
>>>>>>and knowledgeable on this issue, and I am not. Therefore I am prepared
>>>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>>>accept that you are all correct in saying what you have said - which
>>>>>>amounts
>>>>>>to "it's not legal, don't touch it with a barge pole".
>>>>>>HOWEVER
>>>>>>I need to understand why. Being a bit of an obsessive/pedantic/cynical
>>>>>>type,
>>>>>>I NEED TO KNOW exactly what it is that make these 'offers' illegal. So
>>>>>>
>>>>far
>>>>
>>>>>>your rationale has been restricted to intuition and common sense ("if
>>>>>>
>>>>it's
>>>>
>>>>>>that cheap it must be illegal"), but for me that's not enough: I need
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>know what rule/term of the licence agreement/law I would be breaking
>>>>>>if
>>>>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>>bought and used software from these guys. Some of you have conceded
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>some software sold on ebay is probably legal: how do I differentiate
>>>>>>between
>>>>>>the legal and the illegal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Let me put it another way: under what circumstances is it legal for
>>>>>>someone
>>>>>>(other than microsoft and other official suppliers) to sell this kind
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>software?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hope you all don't mind my asking!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks again
>>>>>>Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
>>>>>><sbradcpa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>wrote in message news:%23f0E3oCeFHA.1288@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This screams a Not for Resale version of SBS..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>1. It's too cheap
>>>>>>>2. No box? Excuse me the only way I have SBS without a box is
>>>>>>>officially from Microsoft licensing not ebay
>>>>>>>3. Flat out... it's way too cheap to be legal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Leslie Isaacs wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hello All
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>All of you are saying the same thing, so I suppose you must be
>>>>>>>>right,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>but I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>am very curious about why all these offers are necessarily illegal:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>if
>>>>
>>>>>>>>someone buys the product but does not use/activate it, surely they
>>>>>>>>
>>>>can
>>>>
>>>>>>sell
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>it on legally?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When one of the sellers says:
>>>>>>>>"This is an auction for Microsoft Windows Small Business Server 2003
>>>>>>>>Standard Edition, incorporating 1 Server Licence and 5 Client Access
>>>>>>>>Licences (CALs). It is the full software (not an upgrade) and comes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>as
>>>>
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>set
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>of holographic Microsoft CD ROMs with Product Key Codes. It has
>>>>>>>>never
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>been
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>installed or registered/activated.
>>>>>>>>Please note: This product does not include a box, manual or other
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>printed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>material. It is only the CD ROMs and Product Key Code. "
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>... is he lying, or what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Same goes for the one saying simply:
>>>>>>>>"Microsoft Windows Small Business Server 2003 5 Cals (license
>>>>>>>>pack)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>New
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and un-opened"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also, one seller give the following information:
>>>>>>>>"In Per User or Per Device mode, a separate CAL is required for each
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>user or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>device that accesses or uses the Microsoft Small Business Server
>>>>>>>>2003
>>>>>>>>software on any server. You may reassign a Windows CAL from one
>>>>>>>>
>>>>device
>>>>
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>another device, or from one user to another user, provided the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>reassignment
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>is made either (a) permanently away from the one device or user or
>>>>>>>>
>>>>(b)
>>>>
>>>>>>>>temporarily to accommodate the use of the Windows CAL either by a
>>>>>>>>loaner
>>>>>>>>device, while a permanent device is out of service, or by a
>>>>>>>>temporary
>>>>>>>>worker, while a regular employee is absent. By having two types of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Windows
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>CALs, you are able to use the model that makes sense for your
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>organization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For example, purchasing a Windows User CAL might make more sense if
>>>>>>>>your
>>>>>>>>company has a need for employees to have roaming access using
>>>>>>>>
>>>>multiple
>>>>
>>>>>>>>devices. Windows Device CALs may make more sense if your company has
>>>>>>>>multiple-shift workers who share devices."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This sounds reassuring to me - or am I being naive?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks for any advice.
>>>>>>>>Leslie Isaacs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"DaveN" <DaveN.1r334x@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:DaveN.1r334x@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>they would be illegal.... that TweakNT thing is illegal too
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>DaveN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>DaveN's Profile: http://www.msusenet.com/member.php?userid=2507
>>>>>>>>>View this thread: http://www.msusenet.com/t-1870559342
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
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