Re: SBS two adapter setup with Netopia Router. Help Save my weeked

I thought about this some more and I believe when I kept getting errors that
services did not start I changed the what to do on fail for those which were
showing as auto but were not loading.

"Wildwilly" wrote:

> I tried the Directory services restore. It ran said drive C and Drive D are
> clear. Then booted and got to the same point after the windows splash screen
> runs for a while then it shows the Dell Background and then the message. I
> also tried safe mode, networking and command line but it stops at the same
> point. This problem started when I ran last good config. I do not know of
> anything that I did that affected passwords other than I had changed
> passwords a couple of days ago.
>
> Is there any way to get my data from the separate D partion
>
>
> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
>
> > If the IP config has problems the server will take a _very_ long time to
> > boot normally, but should.
> >
> > I believe your best bet would be to start in Directory Services Restore
> > Mode. We are not going to restore anything, it's just useful to get at
> > networking settings. Try it, do you get a login? The only thing you want to
> > do is to set both NICs to the last working settings. I expect this to be
> > fixed IP's on both NICs.
> >
> > I'm not familiar with the password error. Can you think of anything which
> > was attempted which may be causing it? (a quick google doesn't give me much)
> >
> > I have no reason to believe anything involving an intrusion has occurred.
> > The problem is mostly misunderstood concepts.
> >
> > "Wildwilly" <Wildwilly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:81C9F41B-13ED-4B46-A501-35A5F3F9A503@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Well I am sure I have earned an ARRGH or two .I am kicking my own *** for
> > > a
> > > couple of these moves.
> > >
> > > The computer does not get to a logon screen. I have tried Safe mode and
> > > Safemode with Networking still pauses at lasse.exe message. "when trying
> > > to
> > > change a password the status indicates the current password is not
> > > correct."
> > > Then it restarts over and over again.
> > >
> > > I believe I probably changed the DHCP Client service to Start auto. the
> > > Server
> > > service would start then stop. In trying to clear the CEICW error message
> > > I
> > > apparently made things worse. Lesson learned when exhausted stop, do no
> > > harm.
> > >
> > > Do you think this was a hack or just because of my running the client
> > > service.?
> > >
> > > "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
> > >
> > >> ARRRGH (that's not aimed at you but the universe).
> > >>
> > >> First, despite the delay does the server eventually allow you to logon?
> > >>
> > >> There are two aspects to DHCP, the DHCP Server and Client. For your NIC
> > >> to
> > >> be getting a 169.254.X.X it would seem you have changed it to be a DHCP
> > >> client, this is not correct.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I believe we may be best off if you rename the external NIC to
> > >> 'external',
> > >> do you know how to do this?
> > >>
> > >> External should be configured for an IP appropriate for the router.
> > >> The 'Server Local Area Connection' NIC should be configured to the last
> > >> static IP which worked.
> > >>
> > >> All _client_ PC's will get their IP info via DHCP from the server.
> > >>
> > >> "Wildwilly" <Wildwilly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > >> news:3BD1A222-F01D-41F9-B42C-D9E4BC40B597@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> > First, I ran the change server IP and and I ran the CEICW as
> > >> > instructed.
> > >> >
> > >> > Second Again thanks for your help, even the two by four. By way of
> > >> > explanation: When you said use DCHP to set IPs I did not realize that
> > >> > the
> > >> > wizard would set that up automatically. I had some advice over the
> > >> > phone
> > >> > from someone who does not use the wizards. Too many cooks etc. This
> > >> > started
> > >> > as a simple put in another network card. Since this has become more
> > >> > involved
> > >> > I would be more than happy to do this on a fee basis. I am not sure
> > >> > what
> > >> > the
> > >> > etiquette is on this.
> > >> >
> > >> > After your email I reran Change Server IP and CEICW
> > >> > The CEICW failed saying it could not set scope there was another DCHP
> > >> > server
> > >> > on the network. I repeated the Change server IP and CEICW, same stop.
> > >> > I
> > >> > looked at the DCHP security tab and there was "unkown user S-1 followed
> > >> > by
> > >> > a
> > >> > string of digits listed as a user.
> > >> >
> > >> > About that time I got a Norton message that another network had been
> > >> > discovered.
> > >> > I looked at the local server adapter and it was connected to a unkown
> > >> > 169.254.X.X address and a tremendous number of packets were flowing I
> > >> > disconnected the server from the DSL modem to isolate the network under
> > >> > the
> > >> > assumption I was being hacked.
> > >> >
> > >> > After this there was no server listed under servers. I tried to reboot
> > >> > and
> > >> > it hung for 1. hour at network settings. Tried a second time same
> > >> > result.Tried to go from last successful etc. Result it is in a do loop
> > >> > at
> > >> > ISASSE.exe.
> > >> >
> > >> > At this point I am only interested in getting my data files off the
> > >> > server
> > >> > on to a workstation. Can you point me in the right direction to get it
> > >> > running enough to offload the disk data? Thanks again. And yes I am
> > >> > looking
> > >> > for the most recent backup but they are on tape so I need it up to even
> > >> > try
> > >> > that.
> > >> > Thanks
> > >> >
> > >> > "Wildwilly" wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > You should not have any difficulty setting up DHCP, you should NEVER
> > >> >> > have to
> > >> >> > do it. Run the 'Change Server IP Address' item from the SBS console,
> > >> >> > Internet and Email section. This changes the server's internal IP
> > >> >> > and
> > >> >> > makes
> > >> >> > many other modifications for correct SBS operation. I don't care
> > >> >> > that
> > >> >> > it now
> > >> >> > works, run the wizard to again change the subnet. When done, post
> > >> >> > back
> > >> >> > saying explicitly 'I have run the "Change Server IP Address" wizard,
> > >> >> > as
> > >> >> > advised' or I'm going to leave you to your own mechanics.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Then Run the CEICW (Connect to the Internet item, SBS console, To-Do
> > >> >> > List),
> > >> >> > I hope it will fix any manual changes you have implemented to NAT.
> > >> >> > There is
> > >> >> > no reason for you to be looking at NAT, or address pools, and the
> > >> >> > reason
> > >> >> > your email isn't working is that you haven't run the CEICW (or tried
> > >> >> > it
> > >> >> > and
> > >> >> > it failed because of your previously misconfigured network). Again,
> > >> >> > post
> > >> >> > back 'I have run the CEICW' or you're on your own.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Sorry to be using the 2*4 on you but you are creating your own
> > >> >> > problems.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > No component of SBS (that I can think of) other than the CEICW (and
> > >> >> > through
> > >> >> > it DNS Server) need know anything about your ISP IP settings, you
> > >> >> > use a
> > >> >> > private network (192.168.X.Y/24) on both your internal and external
> > >> >> > interfaces, X should be different so that the two are seperate
> > >> >> > subnets
> > >> >> > (you
> > >> >> > could, and some advise to, use another private range, say
> > >> >> > 10.whatever
> > >> >> > for
> > >> >> > either). The CEICW will ask you to supply ISP DNS info, it will feed
> > >> >> > these
> > >> >> > to DNS Server as 'forwarders'.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > BTW: there's no reason to hide the private ranges in use, here's
> > >> >> > mine
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LC>ipconfig /all
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Windows IP Configuration
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : sbs
> > >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : lc.lan
> > >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> > >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> > >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> > >> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : lc.lan
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Ethernet adapter Server Local Area Connection:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> > >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NetServer 10/100TX PCI LAN
> > >> >> > Adapter
> > >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-60-B0-68-EE-2D
> > >> >> > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
> > >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.250.2
> > >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
> > >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.250.2
> > >> >> > Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 192.168.250.2
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Ethernet adapter External:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> > >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI
> > >> >> > Fast
> > >> >> > Ethernet
> > >> >> > NIC
> > >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-20-18-A1-39-42
> > >> >> > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
> > >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.168.2
> > >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.168.1
> > >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.250.2
> > >> >> > NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "Wildwilly" <fonger101@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > >> >> > news:OSkXtA9YFHA.2664@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> > > Thanks you were right. I did not have the two cards on separate
> > >> >> > > subnets.
> > >> >> > > They were not both plugged into the Netopia. I made the changes
> > >> >> > > you
> > >> >> > > suggested. I had some difficulties with Setting up the DHCP
> > >> >> > > relative
> > >> >> > > to
> > >> >> > > what DNS they should look to and what IP addresses should be
> > >> >> > > listened
> > >> >> > > for
> > >> >> > > but I think I have those resolved. Now I am working on the NAT.
> > >> >> > > setup.
> > >> >> > > When it asks for the address pool , should that be my ISP provided
> > >> >> > > IP
> > >> >> > > number and should the mask be 255.255.255.254 since I have only
> > >> >> > > one
> > >> >> > > static
> > >> >> > > address?
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Last unresolved test issue. Outlook (Exchange) apparently is not
> > >> >> > > receiving mail addressed to myname @ my domain.com although it is
> > >> >> > > posting
> > >> >> > > mail addressed to MYname@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx my ISP account I believe
> > >> >> > > that
> > >> >> > > implies the POP 3 connector is working but there is a problem with
> > >> >> > > the
> > >> >> > > SMTP or Internet address.. Any thoughts on how to start trouble
> > >> >> > > shooting
> > >> >> > > that.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Thanks again for your help. You really saved me some frustration.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > >> >> > > news:eE2sj$0YFHA.132@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> > >> you appear to be using the same subnet for both NICs. XXX.9/24
> > >> >> > >> internally
> > >> >> > >> and XXX.45/24 externally. This is not correct.
> > >> >> > >> Also, I suspect you have both NICs plugged into the Netopia which
> > >> >> > >> you are
> > >> >> > >> also using as your LAN switch. This is less than optimal.
> > >> >> > >> Let SBS do DHCP for the clients.
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> What you want:
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> Netopia public IP
> > >> >> > >> XXX.254/24
> > >> >> > >> |
> > >> >> > >> |
> > >> >> > >> SBS External XXX.9/24
> > >> >> > >> SBS Internal XXY.whatever/24
> > >> >> > >> |
> > >> >> > >> |
> > >> >> > >> Switch
> > >> >> > >> |
> > >> >> > >> |
> > >> >> > >> SBS clients, XXY.x/24 via DHCP from SBS
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> make the physical changes, run the 'Change Server IP' wiz to put
> > >> >> > >> the
> > >> >> > >> internal NIC into a different subnet and you should be up.
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> "Wildwilly" <fonger101@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > >> >> > >> news:%23FFu%23qxYFHA.616@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> > >>>I am trying to go to a two adapter set up for the SBS server. I
> > >> >> > >>>have
> > >> >> > >>>Read and reread KB Aricle 825763 How to configure Internte access
> > >> >> > >>>and I
> > >> >> > >>>try to follow it by the numbers. I still cannot make it work. I
> > >> >> > >>>am
> > >> >> > >>>sure
> > >> >> > >>>I am too involved to see some small setting I have wrong.
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>> My server can access the internet.and the company web. I can
> > >> >> > >>> remote
> > >> >> > >>> workplace from my workstation to the server and run the server.
> > >> >> > >>> The
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