Re: SBS two adapter setup with Netopia Router. Help Save my weeked

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If the IP config has problems the server will take a _very_ long time to
boot normally, but should.

I believe your best bet would be to start in Directory Services Restore
Mode. We are not going to restore anything, it's just useful to get at
networking settings. Try it, do you get a login? The only thing you want to
do is to set both NICs to the last working settings. I expect this to be
fixed IP's on both NICs.

I'm not familiar with the password error. Can you think of anything which
was attempted which may be causing it? (a quick google doesn't give me much)

I have no reason to believe anything involving an intrusion has occurred.
The problem is mostly misunderstood concepts.

"Wildwilly" <Wildwilly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:81C9F41B-13ED-4B46-A501-35A5F3F9A503@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Well I am sure I have earned an ARRGH or two .I am kicking my own *** for
> a
> couple of these moves.
>
> The computer does not get to a logon screen. I have tried Safe mode and
> Safemode with Networking still pauses at lasse.exe message. "when trying
> to
> change a password the status indicates the current password is not
> correct."
> Then it restarts over and over again.
>
> I believe I probably changed the DHCP Client service to Start auto. the
> Server
> service would start then stop. In trying to clear the CEICW error message
> I
> apparently made things worse. Lesson learned when exhausted stop, do no
> harm.
>
> Do you think this was a hack or just because of my running the client
> service.?
>
> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> ARRRGH (that's not aimed at you but the universe).
>>
>> First, despite the delay does the server eventually allow you to logon?
>>
>> There are two aspects to DHCP, the DHCP Server and Client. For your NIC
>> to
>> be getting a 169.254.X.X it would seem you have changed it to be a DHCP
>> client, this is not correct.
>
>>
>> I believe we may be best off if you rename the external NIC to
>> 'external',
>> do you know how to do this?
>>
>> External should be configured for an IP appropriate for the router.
>> The 'Server Local Area Connection' NIC should be configured to the last
>> static IP which worked.
>>
>> All _client_ PC's will get their IP info via DHCP from the server.
>>
>> "Wildwilly" <Wildwilly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:3BD1A222-F01D-41F9-B42C-D9E4BC40B597@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > First, I ran the change server IP and and I ran the CEICW as
>> > instructed.
>> >
>> > Second Again thanks for your help, even the two by four. By way of
>> > explanation: When you said use DCHP to set IPs I did not realize that
>> > the
>> > wizard would set that up automatically. I had some advice over the
>> > phone
>> > from someone who does not use the wizards. Too many cooks etc. This
>> > started
>> > as a simple put in another network card. Since this has become more
>> > involved
>> > I would be more than happy to do this on a fee basis. I am not sure
>> > what
>> > the
>> > etiquette is on this.
>> >
>> > After your email I reran Change Server IP and CEICW
>> > The CEICW failed saying it could not set scope there was another DCHP
>> > server
>> > on the network. I repeated the Change server IP and CEICW, same stop.
>> > I
>> > looked at the DCHP security tab and there was "unkown user S-1 followed
>> > by
>> > a
>> > string of digits listed as a user.
>> >
>> > About that time I got a Norton message that another network had been
>> > discovered.
>> > I looked at the local server adapter and it was connected to a unkown
>> > 169.254.X.X address and a tremendous number of packets were flowing I
>> > disconnected the server from the DSL modem to isolate the network under
>> > the
>> > assumption I was being hacked.
>> >
>> > After this there was no server listed under servers. I tried to reboot
>> > and
>> > it hung for 1. hour at network settings. Tried a second time same
>> > result.Tried to go from last successful etc. Result it is in a do loop
>> > at
>> > ISASSE.exe.
>> >
>> > At this point I am only interested in getting my data files off the
>> > server
>> > on to a workstation. Can you point me in the right direction to get it
>> > running enough to offload the disk data? Thanks again. And yes I am
>> > looking
>> > for the most recent backup but they are on tape so I need it up to even
>> > try
>> > that.
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > "Wildwilly" wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > You should not have any difficulty setting up DHCP, you should NEVER
>> >> > have to
>> >> > do it. Run the 'Change Server IP Address' item from the SBS console,
>> >> > Internet and Email section. This changes the server's internal IP
>> >> > and
>> >> > makes
>> >> > many other modifications for correct SBS operation. I don't care
>> >> > that
>> >> > it now
>> >> > works, run the wizard to again change the subnet. When done, post
>> >> > back
>> >> > saying explicitly 'I have run the "Change Server IP Address" wizard,
>> >> > as
>> >> > advised' or I'm going to leave you to your own mechanics.
>> >> >
>> >> > Then Run the CEICW (Connect to the Internet item, SBS console, To-Do
>> >> > List),
>> >> > I hope it will fix any manual changes you have implemented to NAT.
>> >> > There is
>> >> > no reason for you to be looking at NAT, or address pools, and the
>> >> > reason
>> >> > your email isn't working is that you haven't run the CEICW (or tried
>> >> > it
>> >> > and
>> >> > it failed because of your previously misconfigured network). Again,
>> >> > post
>> >> > back 'I have run the CEICW' or you're on your own.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sorry to be using the 2*4 on you but you are creating your own
>> >> > problems.
>> >> >
>> >> > No component of SBS (that I can think of) other than the CEICW (and
>> >> > through
>> >> > it DNS Server) need know anything about your ISP IP settings, you
>> >> > use a
>> >> > private network (192.168.X.Y/24) on both your internal and external
>> >> > interfaces, X should be different so that the two are seperate
>> >> > subnets
>> >> > (you
>> >> > could, and some advise to, use another private range, say
>> >> > 10.whatever
>> >> > for
>> >> > either). The CEICW will ask you to supply ISP DNS info, it will feed
>> >> > these
>> >> > to DNS Server as 'forwarders'.
>> >> >
>> >> > BTW: there's no reason to hide the private ranges in use, here's
>> >> > mine
>> >> >
>> >> > C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.LC>ipconfig /all
>> >> >
>> >> > Windows IP Configuration
>> >> >
>> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : sbs
>> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : lc.lan
>> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
>> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
>> >> > DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : lc.lan
>> >> >
>> >> > Ethernet adapter Server Local Area Connection:
>> >> >
>> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NetServer 10/100TX PCI LAN
>> >> > Adapter
>> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-60-B0-68-EE-2D
>> >> > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
>> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.250.2
>> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
>> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.250.2
>> >> > Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 192.168.250.2
>> >> >
>> >> > Ethernet adapter External:
>> >> >
>> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI
>> >> > Fast
>> >> > Ethernet
>> >> > NIC
>> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-20-18-A1-39-42
>> >> > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
>> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.168.2
>> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.168.1
>> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.250.2
>> >> > NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Wildwilly" <fonger101@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> > news:OSkXtA9YFHA.2664@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > > Thanks you were right. I did not have the two cards on separate
>> >> > > subnets.
>> >> > > They were not both plugged into the Netopia. I made the changes
>> >> > > you
>> >> > > suggested. I had some difficulties with Setting up the DHCP
>> >> > > relative
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > what DNS they should look to and what IP addresses should be
>> >> > > listened
>> >> > > for
>> >> > > but I think I have those resolved. Now I am working on the NAT.
>> >> > > setup.
>> >> > > When it asks for the address pool , should that be my ISP provided
>> >> > > IP
>> >> > > number and should the mask be 255.255.255.254 since I have only
>> >> > > one
>> >> > > static
>> >> > > address?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Last unresolved test issue. Outlook (Exchange) apparently is not
>> >> > > receiving mail addressed to myname @ my domain.com although it is
>> >> > > posting
>> >> > > mail addressed to MYname@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx my ISP account I believe
>> >> > > that
>> >> > > implies the POP 3 connector is working but there is a problem with
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > SMTP or Internet address.. Any thoughts on how to start trouble
>> >> > > shooting
>> >> > > that.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks again for your help. You really saved me some frustration.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:eE2sj$0YFHA.132@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > >> you appear to be using the same subnet for both NICs. XXX.9/24
>> >> > >> internally
>> >> > >> and XXX.45/24 externally. This is not correct.
>> >> > >> Also, I suspect you have both NICs plugged into the Netopia which
>> >> > >> you are
>> >> > >> also using as your LAN switch. This is less than optimal.
>> >> > >> Let SBS do DHCP for the clients.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> What you want:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Netopia public IP
>> >> > >> XXX.254/24
>> >> > >> |
>> >> > >> |
>> >> > >> SBS External XXX.9/24
>> >> > >> SBS Internal XXY.whatever/24
>> >> > >> |
>> >> > >> |
>> >> > >> Switch
>> >> > >> |
>> >> > >> |
>> >> > >> SBS clients, XXY.x/24 via DHCP from SBS
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> make the physical changes, run the 'Change Server IP' wiz to put
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> internal NIC into a different subnet and you should be up.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> "Wildwilly" <fonger101@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> > >> news:%23FFu%23qxYFHA.616@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > >>>I am trying to go to a two adapter set up for the SBS server. I
>> >> > >>>have
>> >> > >>>Read and reread KB Aricle 825763 How to configure Internte access
>> >> > >>>and I
>> >> > >>>try to follow it by the numbers. I still cannot make it work. I
>> >> > >>>am
>> >> > >>>sure
>> >> > >>>I am too involved to see some small setting I have wrong.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> My server can access the internet.and the company web. I can
>> >> > >>> remote
>> >> > >>> workplace from my workstation to the server and run the server.
>> >> > >>> The
>> >> > >>> server can see my workstation but the only files visible are the
>> >> > >>> Symantec VPHOME and VP Login, printers and faxes, and scheduled
>> >> > >>> tasks.
>> >> > >>> Cannot see the hard drive
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> My workstation cannot access the internet, Cannot send Outlook
>> >> > >>> 2003
>> >> > >>> Mail. I am convinced one of the network or router cards is
>> >> > >>> misconfigued.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> SBS 2003 Intel Pro 1000 MT card, and a dual Intel Pro 1000 MT
>> >> > >>> card.
>> >> > >>> DSL Ethernet Switch is Netopia( Cayman) 3346 with 4 ports.
>> >> > >>> Linksys 16 Port Dual Speed hub.
>> >> > >>> BellSouth DSL 3Mb service
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> LAN- side network card
>> >> > >>> IP X.X.X.9, Subnet 255.255.255.0
>> >> > >>> Default Gateway is blank
>> >> > >>> DNS use the LAN IP address of the server x.x.x.9
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> DNS tab Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes
>> >> > >>> Append parent suffixes of the primary DNS sufix
>> >> > >>> Reister this connection's addresses in DNS
>> >> > >>> Wins Tab enable LMHOSTs lookup
>> >> > >>> Enable Net Bios over TCP/IP
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Second Network adapter
>> >> > >>> WAN- side network card LAN IP X.X.X .45, Per article
>> >> > >>> insturctions.
>> >> > >>> "Type the static IP address that is providedby your ISP,
>> >> > >>> or the IP you want to use." When using a router should it
>> >> > >>> be
>> >> > >>> the
>> >> > >>> LAN Side IP or the fixed WAN IP address of the router. Using
>> >> > >>> the
>> >> > >>> Fixed
>> >> > >>> WAN IP you get an error message that they are on
>> >> > >>> different
>> >> > >>> subnets.
>> >> > >>> Subnet 255.255.255.0,
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Default gateway the LAN IP of the Router X.X.X. 254,
>> >> > >>> DNS server the LAN IP of the Local Server X.X..X.9 ) Alternate
>> >> > >>> DNS
>> >> > >>> blank
>> >> > >>> (per article instructions)
>> >> > >>> WINS Tab of Advanced TCP/IP Enable LMHOSTS. Disable NetBIOS
>> >> > >>> over
>> >> > >>> TCP/IP
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Netopia Settings
>> >> > >>> Status: UP
>> >> > >>> Local Address: Internet IP Y.Y.Y. 161 Peer addresses
>> >> > >>> 68.152.252.185
>> >> > >>> Connection Type: always on
>> >> > >>> NAT : On
>> >> > >>> IP Address Lan IP X.X.X.254
>> >> > >>> Netmask: 255.255.255. 0
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> DHCP Server ON :
>> >> > >>> DNS-1 WAN IP X.X.X.X
>> >> > >>> DHCP Leases in use 2
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> DHCP Server ,
>> >> > >>> Server mode : Server (other choice is relay agent)
>> >> > >>> Starting and ending IP Addresses are with the LAN side subnet.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> WAN IP interfaces
>> >> > >>> PPP over Ethernet vcc1
>> >> > >>> IP Gateway : Enable Gateway option
>> >> > >>> Interface type: PPP over Ethernet (vcc1) other option is IP
>> >> > >>> address
>> >> > >>> Enable interface : checked
>> >> > >>> Adress Mapping (NAT) checked
>> >> > >>> ISP Usename: filled in
>> >> > >>> ISP Password : filled in
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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