Re: How do I get default service change to stay
From: Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP] (les.connor_at_DEL.cfive.ca)
Date: 01/25/05
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:41:31 -0600
Hi Dave,
It's all a shame ;-(. You might be able to configure x smtp connectors, one
for each user ;-(. Less work than each worstation, but not much and still a
PITA - this is anti server behaviour by your ISP.
/snip
I am not going to configure their single server as a host to their
> in-house applications, data files, AND as an Internet SMTP Mail Server.
/snip
This is exactly what SBS is designed to do, and we do it every day ;-). It's
a shame you feel that way, and that (and your ISP are preventing) your
customers from realizing value. Data protection, accessibility (OWA,
Outlook over HTTP), and reduced administration costs - you lose on all
counts.
-- Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP] ----------------------------------------------------------- SBS Rocks ! "Dave G." <Dave G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:CCFC06B4-CB56-44C4-8E2A-734C61C060AA@microsoft.com... > Les, > > Because each individual ISP email account (john@company.com, > mary@company.com etc.) MUST authenticate with the ISP SMTP server with > their > individual account name (john@company.com, mary@company.com etc.) and > password, I cannot setup the Exchange server as a central sending point > for > outbound email since the SMTP connector has no provision for multiple > SMTPl > accounts and passwords. If their ISP did not have these security > requirements (I think it is a way they control relay abuse from client > systems), I would be using the POP connector to retrieve email and the > SMTP > connector to send email. > Many of my clients use this same ISP to host their email. These clients > have 3 to 10 users, a single SBS server, and no in-house IT knowledgeable > staff. I am not going to configure their single server as a host to their > in-house applications, data files, AND as an Internet SMTP Mail Server. > This > is why I configure each users Outlook profile with an Internet Service > setup > to send and retrieve Internt email to and from the ISP mail servers > without > going through Exchange. The Exchange service is used for in-house email > between users and for their mailboxes and public folders. All email, > in-house and Internet is stored in their Exchange mailboxes (not in local > *.pst files). For only a small number of users, I feel this is the > simplest > solution under the constraints of this ISP. > > My only problem has been that if the ISP service in the Outlook profile is > not the default account, outbound Internet email is sent to the Exchange > server, not to the ISP mail server. It looks like your added registry key > will prevent the SBS default login script from resetting the default > service > to the Exchange service. If so, then my problem is solved. > > "Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS M" wrote: > >> You don't need the regedit if all your mail is going through exchange, >> which >> is the recommended setup. You only need the regedit if you want Outlook >> to >> default to an Internet Mail account, instead of an Exchange account. >> >> Exchange can use the pop3 connector to pull or retrieve email from >> external >> pop boxes, such as those you may have at an ISP. The pop3 connector can >> pull >> mail from multiple pop boxes into one user account; or from one pop box >> to >> one user account; or from one pop box to multiple users accounts if you >> have >> a global pop box at the ISP. >> >> Sending is different from receiving. Sending is always done via SMTP. In >> the >> case your Outlook is sending directly to the internet, not via your >> Exchange >> server (not recommended), you set the SMTP server you are sending to >> (presumably your ISP) and credentials in every copy of Outlook. >> >> If you send via your Exchange server, you can still send via your ISP >> SMTP >> server (this is called smarthost), but the advantages are a) only one >> place >> to configure SMTP, b) all mailboxes are on the server, in Exchange >> mailboxes. The advantages cascade from here. >> >> -- >> Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP] >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> SBS Rocks ! >> >> >> "Dave G." <Dave G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:05DC8F04-AA65-423E-A6C4-4F616B03E338@microsoft.com... >> > Thanks Les, >> > >> > I will try the registry change you provided. >> > >> > Correct me if I am wrong but the POP3 connector will handle the >> > individual >> > accounts but only for retrieving inbound email from the ISP mail >> > servers. >> > It >> > will not handle outbound email. The SMTP connector would handle the >> > outbound >> > email but it can only be setup with a single account and password to >> > pass >> > authenticat to the ISP mail servers. With our ISP, this would limit >> > all >> > outbound email to the single account defined in the SMTP connector. All >> > email >> > from other users in the office (even though the have valid email >> > accounts >> > with the ISP) would be blocked by the ISP mail server because the email >> > sender address does not match the address used to authenticate to the >> > ISP >> > mail server. >> > >> > "Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS M" wrote: >> > >> >> > (please do not suggest setting exchange to handle the internet >> >> > email. >> >> > the >> >> > ISP security prohibits this. each individual ISP email account must >> >> > authenticate to the ISP mail servers with their own account name and >> >> > password. sender information in message must match the authenticated >> >> > account >> >> > or the message will not be sent. ) >> >> >> >> The pop3 connector in SBS can do this, and you *can* simplify and >> >> enhance >> >> your email flow and administration with a single point of delivery for >> >> your >> >> users. >> >> >> >> I don't normally recommend the pop3 connector, but if you are unable >> >> to >> >> use >> >> SMTP for some reason, then it's the next best choice. If you don't >> >> like >> >> that >> >> advice, shove it. (just kidding ;-) - see below - but please try the >> >> pop3 >> >> connetor first. >> >> >> >> The SBS login script will keep changing the default to Exchange. >> >> Here's >> >> how >> >> to stop that. >> >> >> >> At the client, create the following registry key: >> >> >> >> Location: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\SmallBusinessServer\ClientSetup >> >> Name: NoTransportOrder >> >> Type: REG_DWORD >> >> Data: 1 >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP] >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> >> SBS Rocks ! >> >> >> >> >> >> "Dave G." <Dave G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:4E3D2D5A-3774-4142-B8D2-704E17119C1A@microsoft.com... >> >> > Client has SBS 2K3 standard. Exchange only used for mailbox and >> >> > internal >> >> > email. >> >> > Internet email handled by each individual's Outlook by setting up a >> >> > separate >> >> > account/service in the Outlook Profile to the ISP email >> >> > server/mailbox. >> >> > (please do not suggest setting exchange to handle the internet >> >> > email. >> >> > the >> >> > ISP security prohibits this. each individual ISP email account must >> >> > authenticate to the ISP mail servers with their own account name and >> >> > password. sender information in message must match the authenticated >> >> > account >> >> > or the message will not be sent. ) >> >> > Here's the problem: >> >> > Outlook users need to set the Internet account/service as the >> >> > default >> >> > account/service. If they do not, Internet bound email goes to the >> >> > exchange >> >> > server then the message goes nowhere and the user eventually gets a >> >> > 4.4.7 >> >> > undeliverable message from the exchange server. Outlook 2K users >> >> > are >> >> > fine >> >> > but in Outlook 2K3 the default service keeps resetting to the >> >> > exchange >> >> > server >> >> > service after rebooting. >> >> > How do I get the default account/service to stay on the >> >> > account/service >> >> > of >> >> > my choice in Outlook 2003? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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