Re: How do I get default service change to stay
From: Dave G. (G._at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 01/25/05
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:13:03 -0800
Les,
Because each individual ISP email account (john@company.com,
mary@company.com etc.) MUST authenticate with the ISP SMTP server with their
individual account name (john@company.com, mary@company.com etc.) and
password, I cannot setup the Exchange server as a central sending point for
outbound email since the SMTP connector has no provision for multiple SMTPl
accounts and passwords. If their ISP did not have these security
requirements (I think it is a way they control relay abuse from client
systems), I would be using the POP connector to retrieve email and the SMTP
connector to send email.
Many of my clients use this same ISP to host their email. These clients
have 3 to 10 users, a single SBS server, and no in-house IT knowledgeable
staff. I am not going to configure their single server as a host to their
in-house applications, data files, AND as an Internet SMTP Mail Server. This
is why I configure each users Outlook profile with an Internet Service setup
to send and retrieve Internt email to and from the ISP mail servers without
going through Exchange. The Exchange service is used for in-house email
between users and for their mailboxes and public folders. All email,
in-house and Internet is stored in their Exchange mailboxes (not in local
*.pst files). For only a small number of users, I feel this is the simplest
solution under the constraints of this ISP.
My only problem has been that if the ISP service in the Outlook profile is
not the default account, outbound Internet email is sent to the Exchange
server, not to the ISP mail server. It looks like your added registry key
will prevent the SBS default login script from resetting the default service
to the Exchange service. If so, then my problem is solved.
"Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS M" wrote:
> You don't need the regedit if all your mail is going through exchange, which
> is the recommended setup. You only need the regedit if you want Outlook to
> default to an Internet Mail account, instead of an Exchange account.
>
> Exchange can use the pop3 connector to pull or retrieve email from external
> pop boxes, such as those you may have at an ISP. The pop3 connector can pull
> mail from multiple pop boxes into one user account; or from one pop box to
> one user account; or from one pop box to multiple users accounts if you have
> a global pop box at the ISP.
>
> Sending is different from receiving. Sending is always done via SMTP. In the
> case your Outlook is sending directly to the internet, not via your Exchange
> server (not recommended), you set the SMTP server you are sending to
> (presumably your ISP) and credentials in every copy of Outlook.
>
> If you send via your Exchange server, you can still send via your ISP SMTP
> server (this is called smarthost), but the advantages are a) only one place
> to configure SMTP, b) all mailboxes are on the server, in Exchange
> mailboxes. The advantages cascade from here.
>
> --
> Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> SBS Rocks !
>
>
> "Dave G." <Dave G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:05DC8F04-AA65-423E-A6C4-4F616B03E338@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks Les,
> >
> > I will try the registry change you provided.
> >
> > Correct me if I am wrong but the POP3 connector will handle the individual
> > accounts but only for retrieving inbound email from the ISP mail servers.
> > It
> > will not handle outbound email. The SMTP connector would handle the
> > outbound
> > email but it can only be setup with a single account and password to pass
> > authenticat to the ISP mail servers. With our ISP, this would limit all
> > outbound email to the single account defined in the SMTP connector. All
> > email
> > from other users in the office (even though the have valid email accounts
> > with the ISP) would be blocked by the ISP mail server because the email
> > sender address does not match the address used to authenticate to the ISP
> > mail server.
> >
> > "Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS M" wrote:
> >
> >> > (please do not suggest setting exchange to handle the internet email.
> >> > the
> >> > ISP security prohibits this. each individual ISP email account must
> >> > authenticate to the ISP mail servers with their own account name and
> >> > password. sender information in message must match the authenticated
> >> > account
> >> > or the message will not be sent. )
> >>
> >> The pop3 connector in SBS can do this, and you *can* simplify and enhance
> >> your email flow and administration with a single point of delivery for
> >> your
> >> users.
> >>
> >> I don't normally recommend the pop3 connector, but if you are unable to
> >> use
> >> SMTP for some reason, then it's the next best choice. If you don't like
> >> that
> >> advice, shove it. (just kidding ;-) - see below - but please try the pop3
> >> connetor first.
> >>
> >> The SBS login script will keep changing the default to Exchange. Here's
> >> how
> >> to stop that.
> >>
> >> At the client, create the following registry key:
> >>
> >> Location: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\SmallBusinessServer\ClientSetup
> >> Name: NoTransportOrder
> >> Type: REG_DWORD
> >> Data: 1
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------
> >> SBS Rocks !
> >>
> >>
> >> "Dave G." <Dave G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4E3D2D5A-3774-4142-B8D2-704E17119C1A@microsoft.com...
> >> > Client has SBS 2K3 standard. Exchange only used for mailbox and
> >> > internal
> >> > email.
> >> > Internet email handled by each individual's Outlook by setting up a
> >> > separate
> >> > account/service in the Outlook Profile to the ISP email server/mailbox.
> >> > (please do not suggest setting exchange to handle the internet email.
> >> > the
> >> > ISP security prohibits this. each individual ISP email account must
> >> > authenticate to the ISP mail servers with their own account name and
> >> > password. sender information in message must match the authenticated
> >> > account
> >> > or the message will not be sent. )
> >> > Here's the problem:
> >> > Outlook users need to set the Internet account/service as the default
> >> > account/service. If they do not, Internet bound email goes to the
> >> > exchange
> >> > server then the message goes nowhere and the user eventually gets a
> >> > 4.4.7
> >> > undeliverable message from the exchange server. Outlook 2K users are
> >> > fine
> >> > but in Outlook 2K3 the default service keeps resetting to the exchange
> >> > server
> >> > service after rebooting.
> >> > How do I get the default account/service to stay on the account/service
> >> > of
> >> > my choice in Outlook 2003?
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
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